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and good evening everyone welcome to

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arcane radio i'm sean the fork chop

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joined with lon strickler as always from

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phantoms and monsters gonna bring you a

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great

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show tonight lon how are you doing my

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friend

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all right keep it real man just hanging

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in there

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keeping it real i feel you i feel you

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yeah yeah been a busy week around here

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around the uh

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forker and strickler arenas uh pretty

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much today though kind of picked up for

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yeah it did yeah it did we got uh well

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i mean you know we've been working

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this um this whatever

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bipedal k-9 case our sightings up in

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pa uh particularly clearfield around

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penfield penfield you know there's some

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other areas as well but

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today i got a uh i got another

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sighting report from a woman in

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cambria county the location is just

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about an hour south of penfield

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and uh looks promising she saw

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she saw something standing um

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you know two legs bipedal uh

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the dog leg you know the dog leg types

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back or knee backward and she said stood

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about seven foot

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it sounds like a very interesting

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exciting so you know i actually gave her

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a call tonight doctor a bit

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sounds legit to me so it's another one

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we're gonna put on the list so that's

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three of them now

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uh she had her butch on uh darkness

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radio the other night

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and that's how she got the uh

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the phantoms monsters email address so

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she you know like i said she contacted

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we're gonna go from there so i think um

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i think we're gonna push up

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the uh butch is gonna push up the uh

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the uh investigation date so i think

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he's gonna try to be up there in about

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two weeks

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well i hope you can give me a date on

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that i'd like to go up and at least make

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an appearance and see if i could uh

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investigate with him just a little bit

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and i missed butch on darkness radio how

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was it

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it was very good very good um yeah

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he goes on he's been on an hour uh the

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other night and uh

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you know i think he's been acquainted

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with dave schrader a couple times

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so uh and then he's on something again

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tomorrow night i don't know exactly what

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another show he's been he's been getting

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so uh you know people are starting to

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recognize him and his work

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which is good and uh you know it's kind

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of favorable for us this time around

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so um and i'm i'm asking people look you

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know if you see something

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that looks out of you know out of the

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ordinary let us know about it

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because uh especially this thing up

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central pennsylvania uh these

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uh these sightings have really they've

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really been interesting sightings and

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uh it all started just i guess it was

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that fall last year

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and they all seemed to be grouped in

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a certain general area and uh and you

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that clearfield county overall has been

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i've been saying for a long time that uh

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there's something strange going on up

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there i've had some strange experiences

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a lot of folks have had strange

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the pa bigfoot society's been

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and there's been a lot of bigfoot

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get these upright

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canine type creatures uh we really don't

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what did you coin them i i don't

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didn't really give much of a name yet

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like that anfield predator

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see what ken says about tonight uh you

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this this all comes on the heel of this

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that that uh it was at lakeview

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minnesota and he's got something

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very similar that he's looking into so

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creature sightings have been popping up

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uh more so now than ever and i think

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because we are talking about it more

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and more folks not just us here at

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arcane radio or you at phantoms and

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monsters but linda godfrey

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uh uh jay bashonen and those guys have

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you know sightings of these creatures

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even ken gerhart is going to be on the

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show with us later on the night

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and if folks missed our show last week

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with uh jc johnson

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they missed a good one it was our first

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uh submit your strange stories night

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and uh jc decided to join up uh with us

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and what a good show it was it was

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really entertaining i think the folks

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uh and that's in the archives they can

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go to stitcherradio.com

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and search for arcane radio and pull

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that show up and as always you can find

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all our shows

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on stitcher radio or go to

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arcaneradio.com and click on

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archives we're there for you i had to do

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some excellent feedback for sure last

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week very good feedback it was a good

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or we call people and they you know and

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yeah i'm really excited to hear what ken

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last week's show

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uh canine type cryptids we've been

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i'm kind of becoming obsessed with them

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now lon uh yeah

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we're just getting a lot of reports

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about these and that's okay i guess

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i guess we've got a couple events coming

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later on in the show at the end of

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we've got the mothman festival coming up

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september 19th and 20th at point

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uh ken gerhard's going to be there uh i

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there a bunch of your favorite

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cryptozoologists and mothman uh

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beyond the edge radio crew with us over

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there uh with the big shop he's gonna be

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going down with me we're gonna hang out

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and uh see let's see what all the fuss

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festival i've never been to one but i'm

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and uh just the story in the lore of the

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really exciting stuff and i'm gonna be

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and report back with some good uh some

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and it's always been the one that's kind

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of stuck in my crawl that you know

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it is it really encrypted or is it is it

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alien or what

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what what is it you know and uh you know

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and uh there's other people looking into

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that uh phenomena as well

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and you know from the reports it seems

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you know the descriptions that others

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people have had with the mothman

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i'd say it's a good possibility it may

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be something very similar

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so who knows yeah who knows indeed

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i mean it's uh you still got me there

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we'll just we'll go past that that's all

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right as long as you can hear me we're

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uh so yeah we're gonna be talking about

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uh these things a little bit later on

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the show with ken which i'm really

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about uh man i hate technical

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we'll move faster you know i got

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you know this is a i got something else

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pennsylvania anymore but this is

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something that happened there

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you know but it came to me fresh because

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uh

285
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i guess the person said they finally

286
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wanted to talk about it

287
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and you know we get a lot of those uh

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but

289
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it's it's very interesting

290
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uh they were not specific about the

291
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location

292
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i have got and i have got an indication

293
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though that

294
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it was somewhere near

295
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uh clearfield county in that area around

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there

297
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so let's uh you know i posted this on

298
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the website a while back but i'm going

299
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to go ahead and read it

300
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because it's just so weird uh the

301
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incident i'm about to relate happened

302
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some 50 years ago

303
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i was visiting my grandparents who lived

304
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in an old old farmhouse in central

305
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pennsylvania

306
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my cousin my cousin dee

307
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was there as well we rose

308
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super early each morning as was the

309
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practice when visiting there

310
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my grandma who those that did not get

311
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out of the house before

312
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breakfast had my grandma's those who did

313
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not get out of the house before

314
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breakfast

315
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got a chore list that would take all

316
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morning so

317
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uh dave d and i were

318
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determined to avoid that list

319
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uh the house stood on top of a hill and

320
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was some distance from the road

321
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with a long drive leading up to a car

322
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park area

323
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the uh the ground on either side of the

324
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driveway

325
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could best be classified as an untended

326
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meadow

327
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with cops of trees sporadically

328
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scattered throughout

329
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now from the car park in front of the

330
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house you can look down

331
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out toward the road some 500 yards away

332
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this is where dave and i stood that

333
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morning

334
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now there was a small stand of pine

335
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trees

336
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about halfway down the hill these were

337
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young trees

338
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not more than nine foot tall we knew

339
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these trees well as

340
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they were the impediment to every hill

341
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roll or sled run

342
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uh we ever attempted down the slope uh

343
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today however we never even got to start

344
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the downhill fun

345
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uh what the hell was that one one of us

346
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asked and you know the other one said

347
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well what beats the hell out of me

348
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actually you know if something was under

349
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near the nearest pine dream

350
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uh it was actually a figure it appeared

351
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to

352
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be made of golden metal which glittered

353
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in the sunlight

354
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it was about three foot tall as best as

355
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we could determine from the uphill angle

356
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from the shoulders down it seemed to be

357
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wrapped or swaddled

358
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in golden cloth this extended the entire

359
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length

360
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of the creature making it look as though

361
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it was a form-fitted sleeping bag

362
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on its head was a helmet or headdress

363
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also gold

364
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when we first saw it it was facing to

365
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our left

366
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so we were looking at its golden left

367
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profile

368
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the side of this thing made us both

369
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freeze in place

370
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barely breathing we started down

371
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at it for a time distorted period maybe

372
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a minute

373
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suddenly the thing changed his head

374
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changed its head

375
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it did not turn its head it had been

376
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looking straight ahead

377
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at a spot somewhere to our left then it

378
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was looking

379
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directly at us the head did not move

380
00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:02,079
though all the inner at you know through

381
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all the intermediate

382
00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:07,600
positions the transformation was instant

383
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but then a wave of dread and terror

384
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rolled over the two of us

385
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i have never before since felt anything

386
00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:17,120
so intensely alien and malignant

387
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:20,560
i hate it hated us neither of us

388
00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:22,800
were the the most athletic kids but i

389
00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:24,720
beat dave over the fence by

390
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a good four foot apparently we burst

391
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:29,519
into the kitchen babbling

392
00:13:33,509 --> 00:13:32,320
inherently about a golden boy down the

393
00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:33,519
hill

394
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it took us a good half hour to convince

395
00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:37,920
grandpa that the roy

396
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would be something worth seeing if he

397
00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:41,760
went out with us and of course

398
00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:44,399
there there wasn't nothing on the ground

399
00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:46,959
nothing under the tree near the tree

400
00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:49,519
uh but that image of a golden boy was

401
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:50,480
the most intense

402
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:53,120
nastiness in its gaze that would never

403
00:13:56,949 --> 00:13:54,480
go away

404
00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:56,959
now i use the term golden boy as that is

405
00:14:01,910 --> 00:13:59,360
how the family story has evolved

406
00:14:04,470 --> 00:14:01,920
but it was no boy it was a humanoid as

407
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:04,480
best as the distance would reveal

408
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,440
but that sense of malice and dread made

409
00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:09,519
it impossible to stick around for more

410
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,110
details

411
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:12,959
[Music]

412
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:15,760
in in the 50 years since i've never

413
00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:16,000
heard

414
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,399
or read a similar encounter has the

415
00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:20,079
golden boy ever crossed your path

416
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:21,760
there's asking me

417
00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:25,120
um well has it well no

418
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:29,360
i mean you know i i have had um

419
00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:32,399
i have seen or heard of uh i've seen

420
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:34,000
pictures of

421
00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:37,120
similar type i guess beings

422
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,800
but i've never heard of being gold most

423
00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:40,720
of them are like wrapped in

424
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:43,760
white or some type of uh

425
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:46,800
light-colored material but and they know

426
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,000
they float around

427
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,399
it's nothing that sits stationary and

428
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:52,079
nothing where

429
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:55,279
a head or any part of it would uh would

430
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:56,320
transform

431
00:15:02,069 --> 00:14:59,680
or shape-shift somehow so i don't know

432
00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,079
what they ran into

433
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:05,279
uh but um i thought that was quite

434
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,199
interesting now i looked at the

435
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,839
now they gave me a shot from google

436
00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:11,519
earth they didn't give me a location or

437
00:15:15,670 --> 00:15:12,560
anything

438
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:15,680
and uh you know the the landscape has

439
00:15:19,189 --> 00:15:16,639
changed it's

440
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:19,199
mostly hillsides mostly growing up with

441
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:20,160
trees now

442
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:23,440
but um you know that that's just an

443
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:26,399
odd story and i thought i thought it was

444
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:27,440
worth mentioning

445
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,920
uh yeah it's really strange especially

446
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,120
you know it might be

447
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,519
i kind of think it's maybe around

448
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:35,120
clearfield county maybe a little east of

449
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,000
there

450
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:37,920
but it's just something else that

451
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:40,639
happens up there you know

452
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:41,920
we hear all kinds of stories that come

453
00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,000
from an area now you think these

454
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,079
feelings of malice and dread that are

455
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:48,240
often associated with

456
00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:51,199
the unknown uh entities that are being

457
00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:52,720
seen by these people

458
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:55,920
do you think they're actually systemic

459
00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:59,440
of you know just

460
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,279
experiencing something new and out of

461
00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,560
this world and frightening or do you

462
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,079
think it's something that really comes

463
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,519
from

464
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,680
the the the being like is it really

465
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,000
emitting this

466
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,040
you know aura that just makes you feel

467
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,880
like uh this is not a good thing does

468
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:15,839
that make any sense to you what i'm

469
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,399
asking

470
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,560
yeah yeah i think it's kinetic i think

471
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:20,000
um

472
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:21,440
you know some would say well maybe it's

473
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:23,120
esp or

474
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:25,519
maybe they're you know thought

475
00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,399
projection

476
00:16:29,749 --> 00:16:28,480
or something like that yeah i think it's

477
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,759
kinetic somehow i

478
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,040
i don't think it's just that they're

479
00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:33,360
scared uh you know normally when

480
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:35,360
somebody's scared they

481
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:38,800
either freeze up or they kind of

482
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:42,079
lose focus on what's going on um

483
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,920
in these instances and you hear a lot of

484
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,320
times in these instances it's like

485
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:49,440
you know they can feel actual fear are

486
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:53,680
dread coming from the being itself

487
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,399
and uh you know they can actually tell

488
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:58,240
what kind of emotions if it does have

489
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,360
emotions

490
00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:01,920
it's projecting or that it's actually

491
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,720
feeling

492
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:04,640
yeah it's like you're being an empath in

493
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:07,679
a way i think that does happen

494
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,919
you know i know it happens in in you

495
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:11,520
know spirit wise

496
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,679
you know people that are in past can you

497
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:15,360
know tell

498
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,400
how a spirit feels

499
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,799
uh under certain situations uh the

500
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,559
vibrations are correct

501
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:24,240
but i don't think it's much different

502
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,760
when you're talking about one of these

503
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,079
beings

504
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:30,960
we often talk about this stuff and uh

505
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,160
you know when we're talking about

506
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,240
bigfoot research and is it a pheromonal

507
00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:35,600
reaction is it a

508
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,760
infrasonic reaction you know what causes

509
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:39,039
this feeling of

510
00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:40,720
malice and dread and it's not always

511
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,679
associated with the creature by everyone

512
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,200
you know it's really boils down to the

513
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,280
individual so i wonder if it's not more

514
00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:48,720
of a psychological effect than a

515
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:50,720
physiological effect and

516
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,919
you know is there is there's something

517
00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:53,360
more to it like you said it happens

518
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:53,840
spiri

519
00:18:03,029 --> 00:17:57,600
don't know it just popped into my mind i

520
00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,669
we lose you on

521
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:09,029
and we're bringing lawn back onto the

522
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:10,799
program so bear with us yeah i'm here

523
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,880
hey there you go welcome back big guy

524
00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:14,160
yeah my uh

525
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:18,080
my skype took a dive welcome to the 21st

526
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:19,120
century and the

527
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:21,200
uh great means of communication that we

528
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,160
have yeah

529
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:24,080
yeah anyhow i had a good question for

530
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:25,600
you there but in the interest of saving

531
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,320
time

532
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,280
uh we'll just save it for another day uh

533
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,880
good story though the golden boy

534
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:32,880
kind of a strange uh i hadn't heard of

535
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:34,320
this story before so something different

536
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:35,840
to share with the audience

537
00:18:40,549 --> 00:18:38,320
yeah you know i just wanted to bring it

538
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,559
up i had it sitting in the uh

539
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,480
i had it sitting in my show notes for a

540
00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:43,679
while and you know

541
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:45,200
things happen we just don't get to it

542
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:48,640
but i wanted i did want to get to it

543
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:52,720
so um yeah so i you know i don't know

544
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,440
i really didn't pick out anything else

545
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,039
to talk about tonight

546
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,160
uh you know that's you know i'm glad

547
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,960
ken is going to be on with us after we

548
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:04,480
did have a cancellation with ken

549
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,559
unfortunately what was that three weeks

550
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,640
ago yeah it's been a couple weeks now

551
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,000
since uh since we had to

552
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,000
cancel and before that we had to

553
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:13,520
reschedule them and it always seems that

554
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,320
when

555
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:16,480
we're going to talk about having ken on

556
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:18,080
the show something happened so we didn't

557
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:19,520
promote the show with ken until like

558
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,559
yesterday

559
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,320
yeah i think it actually happened over a

560
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:24,000
bte one time as well

561
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:27,280
so um but you know he was gracious

562
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:28,880
enough to um

563
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:31,840
you know answer my inquiry if he'd come

564
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,240
back

565
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,760
and uh he's with us tonight so uh

566
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,880
yeah it's a good time we're gonna have a

567
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,400
good time and you know of course he's

568
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,600
doing that

569
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,440
he's doing this new show on the history

570
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:43,520
channel um

571
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,880
uh missing in alaska oh

572
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,440
i i mean i don't know i don't know if i

573
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,039
i don't know if i'd have the guts to do

574
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:52,559
that uh

575
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,400
you know you're out there in the middle

576
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,400
of nowhere and uh

577
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:58,480
of course you got cameraman and all that

578
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,679
there too but

579
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,520
you know i i like the way the show's

580
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:02,720
done

581
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,120
and uh you and i were talking about

582
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,000
before we came

583
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,880
on and i i think it's everything's

584
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,000
explained very well

585
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:11,520
i think it's been about three episodes

586
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:13,600
now uh i think it's gonna they're gonna

587
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,159
rest

588
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,960
start with the new episodes very soon

589
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:19,360
well i hope so i just spent 24.99 to buy

590
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:20,080
it on amazon

591
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,440
instant because i'm tired of trying to

592
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:23,360
find it on the television dial

593
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,280
like i am fine yeah it is hard fun so uh

594
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,200
uh yeah i mean i'm looking forward to

595
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,120
this i i got a few questions

596
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,600
for him but maybe ken can answer some of

597
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,799
this dogman

598
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:36,880
bipedal canine sightings maybe he can

599
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,390
i hope so i mean a good show so far i

600
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,320
like the production quality of it

601
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,400
it kind of has the same feel to it in

602
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:48,000
terms of production quality as

603
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:52,240
uh m2m or m squared you know monsters

604
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,480
and

605
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:54,799
that's that's a great show yeah yeah it

606
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,679
is and i

607
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,600
i think the production quality like that

608
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:59,440
makes a big difference it captures my

609
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,400
eye

610
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,480
and keeps me entertained and i think as

611
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,559
much as we like try to purify what's

612
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,919
going on and keep it as true to

613
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:07,200
cryptozoology

614
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,799
and true to the facts as possible i

615
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,720
think a little dramatic flair

616
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,520
has to happen to make it uh appeal to a

617
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:15,280
wider audience we all know this talk

618
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,320
about it often

619
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,760
but it still appeals to me because

620
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,600
sometimes what we do is boring

621
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,960
i just had this conversation with some

622
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,640
co-workers today talking about tonight's

623
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,480
show

624
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,159
and you know everybody thinks that you

625
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,440
know paranormal investigators

626
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:28,960
cryptozoologists said every time they go

627
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,080
out there something exciting

628
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,559
happens but lon you know well know as

629
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:34,880
well as i do that that's not the case

630
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,320
that sometimes it's boring and uh that

631
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,960
if we were to chronicle everything we do

632
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,280
uh 24 hours a day i think the film crew

633
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,200
would get bored with us and walk away

634
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,520
so we have to keep it fresh we have to

635
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:49,200
keep it exciting and i think even though

636
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,080
these shows

637
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:52,159
are as accurate as possible still adding

638
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,280
some dramatic flair

639
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,799
at least missing in alaska has been

640
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:56,880
pretty cool so far i really like it

641
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,080
yeah yeah i do i did enjoy it uh

642
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,799
this whole phenomena the uh that

643
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:03,919
triangle

644
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,559
stuff really fascinates me because

645
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:09,840
because we know of course we've got

646
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,880
these these hot zones worldwide

647
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,159
and um you know some particular hot

648
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,240
zones just seem to

649
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,360
manifest some really weird phenomena and

650
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,880
also a lot of disappearances uh you know

651
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,720
you know just like the bermuda triangle

652
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,240
and some of these

653
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,360
uh vortice areas that

654
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:34,559
are you know are said to be able

655
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,679
you know that have these type of uh

656
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,480
these type of uh missing people going

657
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,120
miss people disappearing and such so

658
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,960
uh this is something the same i think

659
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,320
they're you know this

660
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,960
area and in particular the area of mount

661
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,520
hayes

662
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,000
um is which they've been investigating

663
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,679
has just really

664
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,679
something just going on and you know

665
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:57,520
they've they've got this theory now i'll

666
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:58,480
it can tell you

667
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,600
but overall it's like there's maybe

668
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,280
something underneath

669
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,679
the area that's causing these

670
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:07,520
disappearances because he's coming up

671
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:08,080
with

672
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,549
magnetic and electronic and a lot of ufo

673
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:18,000
activity so

674
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,880
i tell you what why don't we um why

675
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,000
don't me go ahead

676
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,280
and take off take off here just

677
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,039
take our break and we'll go ahead and

678
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,360
call ken and uh

679
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,200
you know not to lay this any further and

680
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,559
bring him on with us

681
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,000
well let's get it on we'll go ahead

682
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,919
bring ken on during the break here get

683
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,360
ready to go folks

684
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,760
uh stick around arcane radio sean forker

685
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,880
launch strickler

686
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,200
we'll be back right after a brief break

687
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,960
we'll give you a little commercial here

688
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520
and a little tune to tickle your fancy

689
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,600
smoke them if you got them

690
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,039
do whatever you got to do we'll be right

691
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:52,880
back back

692
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,760
folks arcane radio shawn forker lon

693
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,200
strickler joined tonight

694
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,760
by ken gerhart before we bring ken on

695
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,120
the show just a little bit about

696
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,840
ken ken is a widely recognized

697
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,760
cryptozoologist and field investigator

698
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,919
for the center of floridian zoology

699
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,679
as well as a fellow of the pangaea

700
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,440
institute and consultant for several

701
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,760
anomalous research organizations

702
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,279
he has traveled the world searching for

703
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,880
evidence of mysterious animals and

704
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,960
legendary beasts including bigfoot

705
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,559
the loch ness monster the chupacabra

706
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,320
enigmatic winged creatures and even

707
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,720
werewolves in addition to co-hosting the

708
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,720
new history channel tv series missing in

709
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,679
alaska

710
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,200
ken has appeared in three episodes of

711
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,279
the television series monster quest

712
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,880
and is featured in the history channel

713
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,559
special the real wolf man

714
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,480
as well as legend hunters the for the

715
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,799
travel channel unexplained files on a

716
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,080
science channel

717
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,320
para natural national geographic weird

718
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,720
or what with william shatner on sci-fi

719
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:49,039
monsters and mysteries in america true

720
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,919
supernatural

721
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,679
monsters and mysteries in america again

722
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,679
on destination america

723
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,240
ultimate encounters the monster project

724
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,000
and shipping wars

725
00:25:01,510 --> 00:25:00,000
as well as being on coast to coast am

726
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,520
and other various

727
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,960
uh podcasts internet radio shows and

728
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,440
all over the associated press houston

729
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,360
chronicle and the tampa tribune

730
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,279
is also the author of the book's big

731
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,440
bird modern sightings of flying monsters

732
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,600
and encounters with flying humanoids

733
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,200
and ken welcome to the show tonight your

734
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,799
first time on arcane radio

735
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,919
and the first time we didn't have to

736
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,080
cancel on you

737
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,159
well we finally got it together didn't

738
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,159
we

739
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,279
turned out okay

740
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,799
um as far as uh the last time so i was

741
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,000
very happy to hear that

742
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,960
um as far as on your end um but yeah

743
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,000
it's great to be here

744
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,240
uh it's good to be here a fan of the

745
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,120
show and

746
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,120
i'm ready to talk about cryptids and

747
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,880
other weird creatures

748
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,799
well we got some cryptids to talk about

749
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,559
elon's been chasing one up here in

750
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,919
pennsylvania and i'm sure he'll get to

751
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,120
that in a little bit but

752
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,559
go ahead lawn i know you're chomping at

753
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:54,840
the bed well you know i

754
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,640
i i'm sure uh i'm sure ken does what i'm

755
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,600
talking about

756
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:02,000
these dog man or mine i don't even want

757
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,520
to call dog man but these

758
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,720
lycan or bipedal

759
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:09,520
uh canine sightings that have been

760
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,000
popping

761
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,279
up well a lot of different places and

762
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,880
you know what's been going on what's

763
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,120
your what's your assessment on this

764
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:20,000
ken well you know it's interesting you

765
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,640
know obviously

766
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:24,320
uh linda godfrey uh you mentioned you

767
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,520
know she's been documenting it for

768
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,200
decades and she's really done more than

769
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,960
anyone else in terms of

770
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,400
showing that there's been a consistent

771
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:32,159
pattern of sightings that go backwards

772
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:33,360
but you're right it does seem like

773
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,720
we're getting a lot more sightings

774
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,880
lately and uh

775
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,960
you know you can't discount the uh the

776
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,799
human factor which is

777
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,960
uh you know is it the fact that we're

778
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,720
basically more in tune with this dog man

779
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,080
phenomenon now that we are

780
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,760
hearing about more sightings more people

781
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:49,679
are aware of it maybe more people are

782
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,960
coming out of the closet with their

783
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:52,720
sightings because there's a climate for

784
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,600
that

785
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,080
um you know or is it you know one of

786
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,679
those kind of helium

787
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,080
things where you've got different waves

788
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,400
or time periods where there seem to be

789
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,440
uh you know occurrences of weirdness

790
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:07,279
and strange things going on more than

791
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:08,480
usual so

792
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,679
to speak um you know so

793
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,279
you know it's hard to say but i think

794
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,720
the awareness is a good thing

795
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,480
because it seems like there's definitely

796
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,799
something behind the sightings i mean

797
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,720
uh from what i understand that you know

798
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,399
the eyewitnesses are

799
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,919
clearly describing something that's not

800
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:26,000
your traditional bigfoot or sasquatch i

801
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,559
mean

802
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,720
you know like like you said a bipedal

803
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:30,880
canine you know an elongated snout

804
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,760
and uh presumably a long bushy tail and

805
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:35,760
you know other k9 features so

806
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,679
it's pretty weird yeah i'm uh

807
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,360
you know we're and we're going to be

808
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,279
investigating well uh

809
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,760
butch and some others are going to be um

810
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,120
butch wikowski

811
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,880
is going to be investigating uh

812
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,720
the boots on the ground in about two

813
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,039
weeks he told me tonight

814
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,880
so uh you know they're going to be

815
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,399
coming up there and i'm you know i'm

816
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,440
digging for

817
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,120
sightings in the general area uh

818
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,240
but yeah i you know i had this this

819
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:09,120
one sighting that was reported to me by

820
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,159
uh

821
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:12,720
by stan gordon and sent to me from him

822
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,520
uh about that

823
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,399
sighting in lakewood just outside of uh

824
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,360
denver

825
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:20,080
and you know we have no idea what that

826
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,039
is though

827
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:23,520
jc kind of believes that it is an actual

828
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,640
being

829
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,360
uh and just because of the topography

830
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,399
and some of the

831
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,080
you know the ability for this thing to

832
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,840
be able to survive with

833
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,760
food and shelter and everything in that

834
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:35,279
area um

835
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,799
i mean of course you know pennsylvania

836
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,399
is the same way and some of these other

837
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,520
sightings

838
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,399
that have been a lot of them mostly in

839
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,080
southern ontario

840
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,960
manitoba alberta you know these are

841
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,240
areas that are

842
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,240
you know thickly forested and have a lot

843
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,520
of game

844
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:54,320
available to you know to these creatures

845
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,799
so

846
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:56,880
um yeah i'm not kind of i'm not

847
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,480
surprised that just think

848
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,880
people are actually making reports it's

849
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,080
just that

850
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,159
you know now we're getting a whole slew

851
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,240
of them and uh

852
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,600
you know it is fascinating so uh you

853
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,880
know i don't have many of

854
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,720
these type of creatures i know you've

855
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:14,720
done some werewolf research

856
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:17,279
but uh how many you've you know if

857
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:17,919
you've

858
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,279
the southwest area

859
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:24,880
down in texas and mexico absolutely you

860
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,279
know

861
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,039
along those lines i do have a sort of

862
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,640
interrupt line but i do have a contact

863
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,240
in south america

864
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:32,799
down in brazil who's been investigating

865
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,360
there

866
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,760
and uh just like up here they have kind

867
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:37,200
of this increased occurrence of what

868
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,399
they call the lobazon

869
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,480
which is basically a a werewolf for a

870
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
dog man and

871
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,360
he's sending me new reports all the time

872
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,880
so it's specifically

873
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,120
parts of brazil and argentina so it

874
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:48,559
seems to be concurrent with what's going

875
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:49,360
on up here in

876
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,720
north america oh that's interesting

877
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,279
well let's talk about michigan alaska

878
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:57,840
how did you get drawn into missing in

879
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,919
esca well uh

880
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,559
thanks for thanks for taking it so

881
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,600
delicately

882
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,640
um you know i'll be honest with you ron

883
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:10,000
i've been you know for the past several

884
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,480
years

885
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:12,559
i've been involved in several uh

886
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:13,679
attempts to

887
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,360
pitch uh a cryptozoology or or

888
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:20,720
you know otherwise uh paranormal based

889
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:21,120
type

890
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,960
show to major networks and uh it's a

891
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,640
tough sell in some levels you know there

892
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,919
have been a few that have broken through

893
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,799
done really well

894
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,960
obviously uh the ghost hunters the

895
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,399
original ghost hunter show

896
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,600
and uh finding bigfoot's been doing well

897
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:37,840
and you know river monsters and certain

898
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,039
shows like that that have

899
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,559
you know a little bit more of a

900
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,960
different spin but uh it's been tough

901
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:44,880
kind of kind of selling different ideas

902
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,200
and

903
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,720
you know it's weird it's a weird

904
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,480
business first of all as you could as

905
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,520
you might imagine so you have like these

906
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,480
uh kind of conflicting attitudes like

907
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,600
sometimes people are like well they're

908
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:57,440
afraid to take chances and try new

909
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,919
things

910
00:31:01,509 --> 00:31:00,080
but on the other hand it's like you know

911
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,519
they're afraid to stick with new

912
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,120
the same old things they have to try

913
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,480
anything you know it's like they never

914
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,240
know exactly what they want but

915
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:09,039
uh bottom line is uh you know eventually

916
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,600
uh

917
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,679
a production company contacted me and

918
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,799
said you know we have an

919
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:15,120
idea that's on the next level which

920
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,000
means that

921
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:19,039
the network is gonna buy it and um

922
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,240
you know first thing they mentioned was

923
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,000
alaska and i was pretty much sold at

924
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,600
that point because alaska's been on my

925
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:25,360
bucket list forever i mean talk about a

926
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,240
place with

927
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,600
with tons of potential in terms of just

928
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:32,320
you know area wilderness area habitat

929
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:33,120
and you know

930
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,519
and so forth kind of the last frontier

931
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,120
and um

932
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,559
you know moreover they um they seem to

933
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,240
they said they wanted to do something a

934
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:44,080
little bit more scientific in terms of

935
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,720
presenting

936
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,360
the viewer with lots of information and

937
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,200
uh you know maybe doing some recreations

938
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,640
and some dramatic things for

939
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:53,200
you know uh to kind of build it up a

940
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:53,679
little bit

941
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,279
but um uh so anyways that was it and uh

942
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,720
you know it was kind of a whirlwind i

943
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,320
think they had picked out another guy

944
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,640
uh before me and for whatever reason he

945
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,200
couldn't do it so i was just

946
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,120
it was the clear second or third choice

947
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,350
no anyways it's a great show man

948
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,760
made fast friends um the three of us on

949
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,559
the team we

950
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,080
never met before the show they kind of

951
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,080
brought us all together but jack is a

952
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:22,480
private investigator from arizona

953
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,159
and uh he's a kind of more of a

954
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,760
kind of a skeptical kind of by the

955
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,399
numbers kind of guy but he's open-minded

956
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,720
and uh then there's tommy tommy joseph

957
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:33,760
he's a famous

958
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,000
uh native harbor up there he's according

959
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,600
it and um

960
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,000
plenty of people and he's uh famous

961
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,840
carver of totem poles but he's also

962
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,559
he knows a lot about the legends and the

963
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,240
lay of land alaska so they kind of just

964
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,399
put us together and gave us a list of

965
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,000
mysteries to investigate and

966
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,399
obviously all of the uh the mysteries of

967
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:53,919
the investigator also trying to

968
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,640
tie to the greater mystery which is why

969
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:58,159
are there so many missing people in

970
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,120
alaska

971
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,360
uh in relation to you know other places

972
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,799
in the united states

973
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,960
um i forget the you know i've heard so

974
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,159
many different versions of the

975
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,440
statistics but

976
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,960
you know essentially it's like two out

977
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,799
of every thousand people go missing or

978
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,399
something like that every year so

979
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,960
a lot of missing it's pretty

980
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,720
mind-boggling you know and uh you know

981
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:18,159
of course many of them are found you

982
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,279
know there are a number of reasons

983
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,760
hazardous reasons why alaska could

984
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,640
uh you know could be a treacherous place

985
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,000
inclement whatever

986
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,039
dangerous beasts uh you know

987
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,960
mountains and you know glaciers and all

988
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,480
kinds of things so

989
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,720
um but you know that's it basically so

990
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,159
you know i think the the network like

991
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,840
this idea that was in alaska because

992
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,679
obviously alaska is very popular right

993
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,120
now in television world

994
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,559
uh they like the fact that we were going

995
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,799
to diversify our portfolio and cover a

996
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,240
range of topics

997
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:49,519
and um you know ultimately they uh

998
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,279
they wanted to do some of the crypto

999
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:53,120
stuff and this gave us a chance to do

1000
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:53,600
some

1001
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,519
rest refreshing thing about the show is

1002
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,519
that you are tackling more than just

1003
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,519
some cryptozoological topics you've got

1004
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,640
a wide

1005
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,880
range of topics that you're covering and

1006
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,000
you're going to cover but just

1007
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,679
because i just watched the episode on

1008
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,679
the herring hairy man

1009
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,800
what was the uh i guess the story that

1010
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:14,240
stood out the most for you that's like

1011
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,960
man

1012
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,320
there's got to be something to this

1013
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,200
hairy man in alaska

1014
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,040
well um you know they didn't really

1015
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,560
unfortunately didn't

1016
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:25,040
didn't get uh a lot of dr robert alley

1017
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:26,399
into the episode but

1018
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,639
uh he is the uh alaska's foremost expert

1019
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,760
on the soft squatch

1020
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,679
brilliant guy

1021
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,349
i'm sorry he wrote raincoat sasquatch

1022
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,480
right

1023
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,320
softwatch and he's got a second book

1024
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,720
that uh that he's about to release

1025
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,919
and uh i mean he's an anthropology an

1026
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,760
anthropologist but he also is an expert

1027
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,280
in linguists and uh

1028
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,119
linguistics and different things anyways

1029
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,960
but he he just gave me a lot of

1030
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,919
information

1031
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,760
we spent a lot of time together and just

1032
00:35:00,550 --> 00:34:59,200
you know sharing a lot of the accounts

1033
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,560
that he collected

1034
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,960
um you know there's so many different

1035
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,680
native names for the hairy man affair

1036
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:09,040
uh there's uh acoustica

1037
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,130
and the aru attack and urakule and

1038
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,920
[Music]

1039
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,079
nantina gagit so they all basically mean

1040
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,000
the same thing which is a big wild hairy

1041
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,520
man that lives out in the woods

1042
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,200
so i mean it's pretty obvious what all

1043
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,720
these different cultures are talking

1044
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,680
about

1045
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,359
so i mean you know the first thing

1046
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,359
that's really compelling i think is that

1047
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:30,480
you know alaska is right there in terms

1048
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,880
of

1049
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,400
you know there was a land bridge that

1050
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,920
connected asia and north america

1051
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,960
obviously

1052
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,599
uh back during the last uh ice age

1053
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:39,520
probably about up to 11 000 years ago or

1054
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,000
so

1055
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,280
coming over here from asia in terms of

1056
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,880
different animal species you know that

1057
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:45,440
for a fact

1058
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:48,320
so um you know why not something from

1059
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,880
asia

1060
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,040
that you know walked on two legs and was

1061
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,880
more of the you know the hominoid family

1062
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:54,880
and that's perfectly plausible that's

1063
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,599
we noticed a lot of fossil

1064
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,119
you know i had i had heard the uh

1065
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,880
the tales coming out of the canyon

1066
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:06,160
peninsula

1067
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,920
uh for years but you know this hairy man

1068
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,119
phenomena

1069
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:13,920
seems to be in different areas than

1070
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,790
we dropped and we'll get them back here

1071
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:20,400
real quick

1072
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,430
when we find something better that works

1073
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:34,150
and we're just getting good come on

1074
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:35,750
folks if you ever thought about becoming

1075
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:40,480
a podcast host don't this is the

1076
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,680
anti-climatic part

1077
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,359
of what we do so anyhow he was talking

1078
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,119
about rainco sasquatch

1079
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,280
or a dr robert alley and i recognized

1080
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,480
the name from the book raincoat

1081
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:50,079
sasquatch and it's one i've been trying

1082
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,720
to get

1083
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,640
my hands on for some time long and i

1084
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,480
haven't been able to get my hands on it

1085
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,760
because it's been selling at a pretty

1086
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,599
ridiculous price

1087
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,359
yeah it is it's not cheap i've been

1088
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,680
advertising it for a while now

1089
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:03,920
and uh it is i don't know if you can

1090
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,839
find a second one in somewhere or not

1091
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,160
but

1092
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,320
you know go figure every time it's the

1093
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,760
same thing with bill bean

1094
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:14,640
you know we every time yeah bill bean's

1095
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:15,440
another one you

1096
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,119
you know we just have problems with when

1097
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,880
we talk

1098
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,480
no we're i'm not giving up yet so we'll

1099
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,119
just keep talking here until we get uh

1100
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:26,560
ken back figures when i

1101
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:28,110
ask a question

1102
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,550
funny how as soon as we get him back on

1103
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,320
the show i mean we're going to get him

1104
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,760
back in the program here eventually at

1105
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,839
some point the wonders of technology

1106
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,680
uh but i guess we can keep going with

1107
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:43,040
what we were talking about you know he

1108
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,079
is talking about the

1109
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,240
you know what do you say two for every 1

1110
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,800
000 people missy in alaska

1111
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,960
yeah i've uh you know i wasn't really

1112
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:52,800
aware of that number

1113
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,760
until several years ago when that movie

1114
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,280
um

1115
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:59,280
uh the fourth kind is that what the name

1116
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:00,880
of it was uh

1117
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,240
from noaa yeah yeah and yeah

1118
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,160
and uh they were talking about how many

1119
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:08,079
people had you've been missing in the

1120
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,040
gnome

1121
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,720
and and i wasn't sure if that was

1122
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,560
actually true or not because you know of

1123
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,520
course

1124
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:16,160
they they kind of jack things up when

1125
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,119
you

1126
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,480
got to get the statistics uh

1127
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,160
skewed when they're doing a movie and

1128
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,760
promoting it

1129
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,400
but uh you know i did hear on later that

1130
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:27,200
you know this

1131
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,359
about this alaskan triangle and uh

1132
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,240
how many weird things happen there all

1133
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:36,240
kinds of weather anomalies

1134
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:38,000
and of course a lot of planes that go

1135
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:39,440
down a lot of people

1136
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:42,880
go missing um

1137
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,599
it it really is strange and uh you know

1138
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,880
if you if you watch the three episodes

1139
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:53,359
they do take uh they do take everything

1140
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,240
in account

1141
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:56,000
and i might i'm just i'm also talking

1142
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,280
about made possible

1143
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,480
and abduction because uh there have been

1144
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,520
sightings of uh there have been

1145
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,240
sightings of a lot of ufos and

1146
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,200
some strange lights and a lot of other

1147
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,280
strange things going on people just

1148
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,640
disappearing all of a sudden uh you know

1149
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,760
not unlike the uh delanc atlantic or

1150
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,119
whatever that

1151
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,190
situation was over in russia years ago

1152
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,680
when now they did find the bodies

1153
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,599
but you know they had no idea what

1154
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,599
happened but they all looked fast

1155
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,040
yeah they and they uh you know

1156
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,960
that's an enigma nobody knows anything

1157
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,359
about there's a lot of speculation

1158
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,280
that possibly it was a bigfoot or you

1159
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:43,200
know it could have been

1160
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:47,440
you know a non-terrestrial incident so

1161
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,240
you know i don't know you and your

1162
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:50,800
non-terrestrials

1163
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,680
yes extraterrestrials

1164
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,240
multi-terrestrial multi-terrestrials uh

1165
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,359
what was the other one use

1166
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:02,320
ultra territory that the ultra

1167
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,680
terrestrials is my favorite because

1168
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:06,560
that's like a super powered terrestrial

1169
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,319
ultraman is an ultra-terrestrial

1170
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,880
hope nothing happened to ken well i hope

1171
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,599
not i mean

1172
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,440
yeah i'm still trying i'm not going to

1173
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,440
give up you know me uh

1174
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,800
he never knew when to quit but

1175
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,079
we're going to try to get him back his

1176
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,520
phone just dropped off is that what

1177
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,720
happened yeah it just

1178
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,160
dropped off and now i'm trying to call

1179
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,760
back and we're not uh

1180
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,280
i don't know if it's dialing out let me

1181
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,200
do something here the folks are going to

1182
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,720
have to listen to me for just a second

1183
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,560
i'm actually going to

1184
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,400
just restart skype here quickly on so

1185
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,040
they're going to drop you off

1186
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,829
a pain but you still have me going

1187
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:47,599
through folks and as we try to make

1188
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,240
through this

1189
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,400
but yeah i guess one out of uh that's

1190
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,160
one out of every 500 people disappearing

1191
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,680
in alaska and i don't like those odds

1192
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,880
because uh

1193
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:57,200
i definitely would not like to go to

1194
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,240
last gonna be one of those

1195
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,440
uh one out of 500 people that uh

1196
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,520
that disappear and as while we're just

1197
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,119
talking on the subject of missing and

1198
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,480
i'm trying to get everybody back on here

1199
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:08,720
so i'm multitasking so bear with me

1200
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,960
uh david polite sent me an email that he

1201
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,720
is releasing a new book he announced it

1202
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,960
over the weekend missing 4-1-1

1203
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,880
a sobering coincidence and says

1204
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,640
coincidence it's this fifth book

1205
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:22,319
now i have the first three missing form

1206
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,599
and one and i've liked them very much

1207
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:27,200
i've not uh got a chance to read the

1208
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,480
fourth to pick that up the devils in the

1209
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,000
details but the folks that have read it

1210
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,760
have given me good feedback on it

1211
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,079
and i'm interested to see what the

1212
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,359
fourth and the fifth book hold a

1213
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,960
sobering coincidence you can check that

1214
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,880
out by going to uh david palladi's

1215
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:40,160
website

1216
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:44,160
uh i love adverts i'm not going to buy

1217
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:44,800
your product

1218
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,910
missing 401 a sobering coincidence like

1219
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:53,359
i said go to his website we'll post it

1220
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,319
in the chat room

1221
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:56,400
put it on the website arcaneradio.com

1222
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:57,520
where you can go

1223
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,520
and find it he's also working on a uh i

1224
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,800
believe a movie missing

1225
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:05,119
4-1-1 the movie which should be pretty

1226
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:05,920
interesting to see

1227
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,880
all these something going on here these

1228
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,040
uh

1229
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,280
missing people clusters and and state

1230
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,640
parks and national forests

1231
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,520
national parks around the united states

1232
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,640
around the world it's just

1233
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,960
something that's not coincidental about

1234
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,800
them and i think we have to really

1235
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,560
uh read what david's putting out there

1236
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,839
do our own critical thinking our own

1237
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,760
analysis and and get involved

1238
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,960
and see what's really really behind

1239
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,480
these is there something more sinister

1240
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:33,920
something more nefarious

1241
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,119
that's causing these uh abductions these

1242
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,960
missing these dismissing people these

1243
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,319
disappearances

1244
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:42,079
are they uh is it something

1245
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:43,560
extraterrestrial is it something

1246
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,920
cryptozoological is it something that uh

1247
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:50,069
is it a person out there doing these

1248
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,280
things i mean it'd have to be a pretty

1249
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,319
busy person

1250
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,640
but we can't rule that out either but

1251
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,680
the missing 401 series definitely

1252
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,720
well worth the interest if you can

1253
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,319
take the time and devote to reading a

1254
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:05,119
decent amount of information

1255
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,800
a lot of books i'm surprised by how many

1256
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,960
uh disappearance clusters there were in

1257
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:10,880
my state of pennsylvania

1258
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:18,309
what were we were we discussing

1259
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,319
uh alaska blah blah blah

1260
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:24,079
yeah there's a lot of cool stuff to

1261
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,599
investigate up there but yeah we were

1262
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:27,440
talking about uh how the show came to

1263
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,079
fruition

1264
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,440
and uh i'm i'm excited to announce uh

1265
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,440
that after a brief hiatus

1266
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,920
i just learned that we will be re-airing

1267
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,240
on september 12th

1268
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,400
on history two so that's history channel

1269
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,400
two on september 12th

1270
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,599
and they're going to be showing the

1271
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,079
first three episodes that i've already

1272
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,839
aired on history channel in addition to

1273
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,240
four

1274
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,280
brand new episodes uh all that day

1275
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:53,280
well that's great i was i was wondering

1276
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,640
when they were going to come back but

1277
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:57,280
yeah i was i'm looking forward to it uh

1278
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,920
you know you

1279
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,839
you hadn't mentioned the the harry man

1280
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:01,599
phenomena up there

1281
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,160
and uh i think you were on the kenai

1282
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,839
peninsula at one point

1283
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:08,240
while you were there but i you know that

1284
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,880
that has

1285
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,200
that's the area where i have heard a lot

1286
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,240
about this

1287
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:15,119
this hairy man you know the sightings

1288
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,000
and such

1289
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:19,520
uh do they have any other type of weird

1290
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:23,440
settings and especially in the triangle

1291
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,599
um in terms of harry manning yeah

1292
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,520
yeah there there have been uh within the

1293
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,119
triangle you have a lot of sightings

1294
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,040
kind of up in your fairbanks

1295
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,280
kind of in the central part you have

1296
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,640
sightings

1297
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,680
um kind of on the border with the yukon

1298
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
as well

1299
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,640
and that's kind of close to the area

1300
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,920
that we were uh

1301
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,440
initially investigating the wrangle

1302
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,839
single is national park which is kind of

1303
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,880
up there

1304
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,599
um east of anchorage and i guess closer

1305
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,640
to the border with

1306
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,599
canada there um you know there's also a

1307
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,599
lot of sightings you know in the area

1308
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,000
you know outside of the um quote unquote

1309
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,760
triangle you have a lot of hairy man

1310
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,720
sightings

1311
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,079
uh down in the uh peninsula and

1312
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,400
the areas around ketchikan and sitka

1313
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,680
juno

1314
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,160
kind of southeast alaska which makes

1315
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,520
perfect sense right because you get a

1316
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,240
whole

1317
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:16,160
bunch of accounts down there in british

1318
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,280
columbia

1319
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,560
uh to the south as well um

1320
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,720
now on the show uh if i remember

1321
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,720
correctly you had a uh

1322
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:27,280
you were kind of doing a stakeout i

1323
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,920
guess that was

1324
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,240
in canai the canaanite peninsula one

1325
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,359
evening

1326
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,359
uh and it seemed like you guys by

1327
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,480
portland

1328
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,240
yeah you seemed you got that's right

1329
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:38,240
that's right and it seems you guys are

1330
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:39,440
kind of

1331
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,040
you think you ran into that night

1332
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,720
man there's there's really the tongue on

1333
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,079
i mean the thing is

1334
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,839
the kenai has one of the largest

1335
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,599
population densities in the world in

1336
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,800
terms of bears

1337
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,480
okay and there are bears all over the

1338
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,319
place we found bear uh

1339
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:59,599
tracks found some scat and other signs

1340
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:00,079
so

1341
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,079
definitely bear activity in that area

1342
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,280
um now that being said we you know we

1343
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,720
didn't

1344
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,960
find definitive evidence in terms of a

1345
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,920
hairy man so

1346
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,079
hard to say if it could have been we

1347
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:15,280
might have encountered something else

1348
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,240
out there i mean

1349
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:19,040
it really is hard to say but um you know

1350
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,240
it's a pretty

1351
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,240
pretty unnerving area like i said you're

1352
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:24,160
pretty isolated out there there's a lot

1353
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,599
of wildlife moving around

1354
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,720
pretty dense brush um

1355
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,319
so you know it's true we did have a

1356
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,800
small crew of this but um you know it

1357
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,520
it was still it was kind of a heroin

1358
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,800
evening now

1359
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,960
you know that being said the way that i

1360
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,400
didn't put these tv shows together

1361
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,440
sometimes

1362
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,520
uh they have a tendency to kind of amp

1363
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,359
things up a little bit even more

1364
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,280
you know music and the way they added

1365
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,520
and cut the new together and stuff

1366
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:52,079
so we definitely heard some weird things

1367
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,280
uh we definitely

1368
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,480
smelled something and um

1369
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,560
you know but we can't see defensively

1370
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,079
you know we could have very well

1371
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,480
you know been in uh bear territory there

1372
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,359
and maybe

1373
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,440
at least for my part not really being

1374
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,560
around bears a lot you know it's uh

1375
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,240
you know it's kind of a new experience

1376
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,400
so to speak yeah

1377
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,520
yeah i um i i thought it wasn't proud

1378
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880
though it was intense i thought the way

1379
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,040
they caught it was very intense and uh

1380
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,640
you know that might have been what they

1381
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:22,400
did kind of like you said amped it up a

1382
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,720
bit

1383
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,200
but i was i was curious what you you

1384
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:26,960
thought you'd run into

1385
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:30,240
uh did you have any off-air incidents

1386
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:30,800
that

1387
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,920
you can talk about um

1388
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,760
no i think they did a good job they

1389
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,200
pretty much had cameras rolling on us

1390
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,640
the whole time so there was nothing that

1391
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,480
really happened out there that

1392
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,240
i don't think that that was interesting

1393
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,640
that they they caught on film now

1394
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,680
we did have some engaging conversation

1395
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,920
and you know granted most people aren't

1396
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:51,280
going to probably

1397
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:54,000
you know maybe tune in to that type of

1398
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:54,880
stuff if it's

1399
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,599
if it's prolonged conversation but uh

1400
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,280
just sitting around kind of uh you know

1401
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,040
on our stakeout sitting around the tent

1402
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:03,520
and uh talking about all the evidence

1403
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,400
and and you know

1404
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,640
the potential for alaska there according

1405
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,079
to tommy being native

1406
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,640
alaskan uh his sister has actually had a

1407
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,440
sighting

1408
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,520
uh of a soft squatch so you know that's

1409
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,640
i don't something i don't know if

1410
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,000
that made it on the show or not but his

1411
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:17,920
sisters actually had a sighting

1412
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,359
uh he he'd never seen had a sighting he

1413
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,119
knew a lot of people from his

1414
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:25,119
uh area that had had sightings with the

1415
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,319
hairy man as well

1416
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,880
it did make it on the show oh that did

1417
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,240
yeah i couldn't remember if it did or

1418
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,520
not but um

1419
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,119
yeah you know that you know there's just

1420
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,599
again from a scientific perspective

1421
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,119
and uh you know of course with all these

1422
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,559
monsters as you no longer can always

1423
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,680
take two different

1424
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,280
perspectives we can say well it's kind

1425
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,280
of you know this is a zoological

1426
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,160
uh enigma some kind of creature that's

1427
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,520
undiscovered that's running around out

1428
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,400
there

1429
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,760
uh or it's you know something that's

1430
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,440
more spectral than nature you know kind

1431
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,359
of an apparition or whatever

1432
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,520
um in terms of bigfoot or sasquatch i

1433
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,280
think you know most people that are into

1434
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,800
the unexplained understand

1435
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,880
that it's there's a lot of physical

1436
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,240
evidence and so that would indicate that

1437
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,760
we are dealing with some type of very

1438
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:04,960
large

1439
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,800
hominid you know that basically hasn't

1440
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,240
been discovered by science yet and i

1441
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,079
think alaska

1442
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,400
has a lot of potential to harbor

1443
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,720
something like that

1444
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,280
we you know i've i've received over the

1445
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:20,640
years

1446
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,160
a fair amount of reports in alaska

1447
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,680
uh you know i think most of them are the

1448
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:29,200
hairy man's side but there are some

1449
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,319
others that

1450
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,440
are really hard to explain uh there's a

1451
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,319
lot of you know

1452
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,160
of course there's a lot of spiritual

1453
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,000
belief in uh

1454
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,440
in nature with the native uh inuits

1455
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,640
and uh but i have had some pretty

1456
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,800
strange

1457
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:50,079
uh sightings as well that were

1458
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,680
i don't know what you could describe

1459
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,000
them you know you know they kind of

1460
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,760
make it sound like the boogeyman is

1461
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:57,760
chasing them around

1462
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,359
sometimes but you know i you know

1463
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,720
some of these around some of these

1464
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:04,559
villages they're really dead

1465
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:07,599
serious about you know some of the uh

1466
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:12,079
uh hominid type beings that they see and

1467
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:12,319
i

1468
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,480
way

1469
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,160
and it's you know they he kind of just

1470
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:23,680
he said no he said

1471
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,319
you know he said i don't know what it

1472
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,559
was he said but it was hominid

1473
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,920
uh yeah so i don't know what all you

1474
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,319
heard

1475
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,920
up there you know about the different

1476
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:36,240
types of different types of beings that

1477
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,720
were

1478
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,839
seen but i i'm pretty sure there's a

1479
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,839
wide variety of uh

1480
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:45,040
uh different types of you know

1481
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,319
beings uh that they know today of course

1482
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,680
you know the guy you were with was a

1483
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,640
folklorist

1484
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:52,319
so i'm pretty sure he kind of brought up

1485
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,559
a few of the uh few of the uh

1486
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:59,440
stories that you know are indigenous to

1487
00:51:04,549 --> 00:50:59,839
the

1488
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,559
one clarification i have to make

1489
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,599
for sure because um dr robert alley at

1490
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,559
one point when i was

1491
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,880
interviewing him mentioning that he had

1492
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,559
gotten a sighting or a report of a

1493
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:13,839
sasquatch that was

1494
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,040
close to 15 feet tall now um

1495
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,119
we mentioned that one time and i think

1496
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,720
that the producers

1497
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,880
uh essentially said that to sound like

1498
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,319
all of these soft watches that are

1499
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,640
reported in alaska the hairy man is 15

1500
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,200
feet tall which is not the case at all

1501
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,920
uh this bike here in the lower 48 the

1502
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,520
descriptions are consistent which is

1503
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,960
very compelling

1504
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,040
uh but now typically about six and a

1505
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:39,839
half to maybe seven eight feet tall

1506
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,040
very broad shouldered muscular hairy

1507
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,160
no neck long arms you know uh

1508
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,599
thick you know basically all those

1509
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,880
things things you hear about the

1510
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,240
sasquatch uh

1511
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:53,119
here in bigfoot here in the lower 48. uh

1512
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,760
but you know

1513
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,520
there there have been some sightings of

1514
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,040
these titanic

1515
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:59,839
uh titanically tall hominids and uh you

1516
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,480
know

1517
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,760
lauren coleman and mark hall has

1518
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,599
referred to them as true giants that

1519
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,720
you know potentially there could be

1520
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:06,079
something out there even bigger than

1521
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:06,960
bigfoot

1522
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,240
i don't know if that's uh uh how

1523
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,079
scientifically feasible that is

1524
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,559
uh we know that gigantopithecus probably

1525
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,200
stood about

1526
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,359
10 feet tall but i don't know if there's

1527
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:19,440
any evidence in the fossil history

1528
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,240
uh you know or you know whether a

1529
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,680
hominid could could be any

1530
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:25,440
taller than 10 feet and be functional

1531
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,549
but uh you know maybe those are those

1532
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,400
are eyewitness interpretations you know

1533
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,240
people are scared obviously when they

1534
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,680
when they have these encounters their

1535
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:37,280
adrenaline's pumping they're usually

1536
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,079
running away

1537
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,440
or and you know i imagine that seven

1538
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,359
seven eight maybe nine or 20 could

1539
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,559
easily look like 15 feet so uh

1540
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,920
but anyways i just wanted to point that

1541
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,440
out like you said there are sightings of

1542
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:51,520
you know smaller and man-sized hominids

1543
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,720
as well

1544
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:55,920
but uh the alaskan herring man uh

1545
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,720
i.e bigfooter sasquatch is typically

1546
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,160
similar to the ones that are reported

1547
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:02,079
down here

1548
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,640
i um you know did you get any indication

1549
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:09,040
even though uh you know you didn't see

1550
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:10,640
anything but you got an indication from

1551
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:11,440
what things

1552
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,839
what you heard from other researchers

1553
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:14,640
and such

1554
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,920
up there that they uh they

1555
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:20,079
are active year-round or do is there a

1556
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,280
possibility

1557
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,640
that they hibernate sometime well that

1558
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,319
is definitely a possibility and i think

1559
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,520
that's something that i talked about

1560
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,359
with dr robert allen he had a lot of

1561
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,480
information

1562
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,520
um you know even bear you know

1563
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,880
you know here's the interesting thing i

1564
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,680
think there's a little bit of a

1565
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,359
misconception there about hibernation

1566
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,359
with regard to bears for example which

1567
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,280
are you know probably the animals that

1568
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,280
are most associated with that behavior

1569
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,599
uh bears don't typically hibernate the

1570
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:47,119
entire winter they have periods where

1571
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,559
they get up and move around a little bit

1572
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,000
not as much they're definitely not as

1573
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,040
active

1574
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,640
um and you know and then there's an

1575
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:54,480
intermediate thing called a toefl where

1576
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:55,839
you know basically an animal just takes

1577
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,470
if it's you know 30 degrees below or

1578
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,839
whatever what's the point of going out

1579
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:05,599
and being in that so

1580
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,720
um but you know it's really hard to say

1581
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,440
la i mean you

1582
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,800
traditionally you've always had more

1583
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,480
settings of bigfoot or soft squats

1584
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,839
during the summer and people

1585
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,440
some people have tried to associate that

1586
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,880
with a hibernation pattern

1587
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,800
but on the other hand the obvious thing

1588
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,880
is that more people are out in the woods

1589
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:22,319
during the summer you know you got more

1590
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,200
people hunting and

1591
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,920
fishing and boating and hiking so yeah

1592
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,440
they're more apt to see something

1593
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,880
you're more have to have more sightings

1594
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:35,270
well more chances for contact uh do you

1595
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,000
have a question

1596
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,799
uh sean no go ahead lawn i was just

1597
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:41,440
making a comment there yeah i was um

1598
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:45,760
now this this uh mount hayes area

1599
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,359
yeah you you got i mean

1600
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:51,680
how rem first of all how remote is that

1601
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,599
place

1602
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,760
um you know it's it's pretty remote

1603
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,359
you're talking about denali national

1604
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,559
park

1605
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,079
um it's i mean once you literally once

1606
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,839
you start moving away from the coasts in

1607
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,720
alaska

1608
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,559
things are the population density

1609
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,720
density is incredibly low

1610
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,160
um you know now we're out there in

1611
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,760
denali so you have people that are

1612
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,839
regular workers they're year round

1613
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,079
uh park officers and different things

1614
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,520
like that

1615
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,680
guys emergency workers uh some

1616
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:21,520
construction workers but you know

1617
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,799
it's a pretty remote area um now

1618
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:26,000
what's interesting and i don't think we

1619
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,440
got to this in the show is that you know

1620
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,960
the area around mount hayes of course

1621
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,720
traditionally a lot of ufo sightings

1622
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,680
there

1623
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:33,920
we also mentioned during the show that

1624
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,119
there is a

1625
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,160
underground

1626
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:40,079
alien base at mount hayes and this goes

1627
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,839
back to the 70s when

1628
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,839
when our government was experimenting

1629
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,280
with remote viewing

1630
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,480
and had a particular uh

1631
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,680
a particular gentleman an agent i guess

1632
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,720
you'd call him that

1633
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:55,280
that had projected this or predicted

1634
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,760
this

1635
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,520
alien basis under the mountain that

1636
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,720
there are a lot of sightings around

1637
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,000
mount hazen in fact

1638
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,319
just a few months before we got up there

1639
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,640
uh in the town of north pole alaska

1640
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:06,720
which i think is only about

1641
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,920
maybe 30 or 40 miles from mount hayes uh

1642
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,760
there was a young couple two young women

1643
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,760
who claimed seeing a large

1644
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,319
red object kind of hovering over their

1645
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,079
cars so i mean they're you know

1646
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,760
even very recently there there's been a

1647
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:21,599
lot of ufo activity

1648
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,640
in that spot so um

1649
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,319
you know i can't say that i saw any

1650
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,079
definitive evidence that there is an

1651
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,480
alien base there but um

1652
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,040
you know i suppose you could say if uh

1653
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,720
if aliens were gonna build a base

1654
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,000
somewhere on our planet it would

1655
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:37,680
probably be a pretty good spot i mean

1656
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,920
it's

1657
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,960
people out there

1658
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,559
uh that would see you know there's a

1659
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:44,480
military base close by and of course i

1660
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,200
guess that

1661
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,119
that's the confusing thing because

1662
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,680
certainly some of those ufos might be

1663
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,720
explained as

1664
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,400
experimental craft or something like

1665
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,640
that well you know i thought your

1666
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,599
observations as far as the um

1667
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,680
the magnetic energy and some of the

1668
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,119
other things that you were

1669
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:03,119
you know actually you you had some

1670
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,319
theories about

1671
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,839
uh how the way uh excuse me

1672
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,920
how there were changes underneath the

1673
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:12,000
ice and uh

1674
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,079
you know i act you know i went back and

1675
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,400
and looked at a few references

1676
00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:20,799
when you're after the show started and

1677
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,240
they're you're right there have been

1678
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:23,920
some references about

1679
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:26,799
mount hayes and in fact i think project

1680
00:57:30,789 --> 00:57:27,680
red book

1681
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:30,799
even mentioned uh an underground a

1682
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,520
possibility

1683
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,040
underground base there as well uh

1684
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:38,640
you know i you know this last episode

1685
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,160
were the uh where the mountain climber

1686
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:45,599
just turned up missing uh how how

1687
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,230
um well you know what actually happens

1688
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,440
more than you would expect um

1689
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,440
we had a person that actually went just

1690
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,040
that actually went missing and he wasn't

1691
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,799
a mountain climber per se he was kind of

1692
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,839
a hiker

1693
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,160
uh he went missing uh the last week we

1694
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,760
were up there filming

1695
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,440
and it was pretty big news completely

1696
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,119
vanished they couldn't find any trace of

1697
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,520
uh they had a pretty extensive search

1698
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,720
going underway

1699
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,799
um the thing i've learned about alaska

1700
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:16,400
is that you have a lot of people up

1701
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,040
there that

1702
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,640
are into uh i guess extreme adventure

1703
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:23,119
kind of adrenaline junkies and uh you

1704
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,079
know they do

1705
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,000
enjoy mountain climbing and hiking and

1706
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,000
going into extreme wilderness areas

1707
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,760
and a lot of people do it by themselves

1708
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,920
they don't take a buddy which is

1709
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,920
what i was always taught in the boy

1710
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:36,240
scouts growing up you know you know

1711
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,359
you're in the woods make sure you've got

1712
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,040
a buddy with you you don't want to go

1713
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:40,559
out there in the wilderness by yourself

1714
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,200
under any

1715
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,280
circumstance but yeah people do that

1716
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,280
people go climbing and hiking now this

1717
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:46,960
particular guy that disappeared he had a

1718
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:49,040
partner but i guess they had separated

1719
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,000
from some for some

1720
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:53,760
period of time so um

1721
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,720
yeah it's a pretty treacherous place but

1722
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:58,480
uh you know on the other hand

1723
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:01,520
uh some of the disappearances uh

1724
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:04,720
certainly uh very hard to explain yeah

1725
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,119
all right

1726
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:07,119
it's raised my radar since i've seen the

1727
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,319
show because uh

1728
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,640
i didn't realize that the activity was

1729
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,240
that high there

1730
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,240
and uh you know of course i knew there

1731
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,000
was a base there as well

1732
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,079
you know anytime you talk about alaska

1733
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,000
and anomalies

1734
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,240
first thing you hear about is harp and

1735
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,680
all this other stuff why i think they've

1736
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:25,119
torn that down now

1737
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,200
but uh you know who knows i mean

1738
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,960
you know there have been instances where

1739
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,880
i and i and i've read of instances of

1740
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:36,720
alien abduction

1741
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,160
uh in uh in the in alaska and uh where

1742
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:41,839
people swear that they were

1743
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,000
abducted and uh nothing really specific

1744
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,119
but uh uh you know it it just

1745
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:52,160
does sound like there's something weird

1746
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:52,880
going on

1747
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,599
now how how was that triangle area

1748
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,040
determined uh

1749
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,920
was it just because of a concentration

1750
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,839
of uh

1751
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:05,040
of anomalies or missing people in

1752
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,799
in a specific area or how was it uh

1753
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,200
how does it actually determine the the

1754
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,359
alaskan triangle

1755
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,520
well you know now that i have to confess

1756
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,280
i don't know exactly

1757
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,760
how how the uh the theoretical borders

1758
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:21,040
of the triangle how those

1759
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:24,720
have developed over time

1760
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:28,640
um that particular area um

1761
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:30,640
does have a lot of disappearances now

1762
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,760
those date back to the 1950s

1763
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,839
uh in fact the first episode we covered

1764
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,160
the the famous case of the missing

1765
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:41,520
c-54 military craft that vanished

1766
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,559
with 426 people a serviceman board

1767
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,240
and to this day they have never found

1768
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:48,160
any trace of the airplane or anything

1769
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,559
and

1770
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,000
you know after that happened there was a

1771
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:51,920
fairly extensive search

1772
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,720
uh that was undertaken uh more recently

1773
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,319
the other famous disappearance there

1774
01:01:03,910 --> 01:00:58,960
happened in the early 1970s

1775
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:03,920
uh and that is when uh a congressman

1776
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,200
uh my gosh the name the name is alluding

1777
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:09,680
me at the moment

1778
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,640
yeah a congressman and his and uh you

1779
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:14,799
know another uh

1780
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,960
uh one of his colleagues i guess that

1781
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,400
disappeared with a pilot three of them

1782
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:20,319
disappeared out there in the early 70s

1783
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,799
and

1784
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,400
i mean again you're talking about a

1785
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:24,079
major uh

1786
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,079
a major search that was undertaken uh

1787
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:30,079
using thousands of planes and you know

1788
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,440
different you know

1789
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,920
tons of manpower or whatever so if

1790
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,040
anything either

1791
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:38,160
so um so that those are the two the two

1792
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,280
disappearances that

1793
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,680
that i think received the most publicity

1794
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,480
and

1795
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:44,960
i think the triangle was maybe formed uh

1796
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,599
hail bogged

1797
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,280
i'm sorry that's what it does she was

1798
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,720
the house majority leader his name was

1799
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,920
hell bob

1800
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:52,160
and he was with nick begich who uh i

1801
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,359
believe was a

1802
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,599
senator from from alaska and they

1803
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,160
disappeared in in 1972.

1804
01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,760
so those are the kind of the two notable

1805
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,000
disappearances but i guess over time

1806
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,880
somebody uh began to notice that a lot

1807
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,720
of these disappearances with regard to

1808
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,319
airplanes specifically because so many

1809
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:09,680
planes have disappeared

1810
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:12,640
uh kind of fell into that general area

1811
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,960
uh

1812
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,480
now the fact that it's a perfect

1813
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,480
triangle

1814
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,240
you know that that may have more to do

1815
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,160
with with the bermuda

1816
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,640
the whole concept behind the bermuda

1817
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:23,599
triangle

1818
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,559
and um you know going back to ivan

1819
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:28,240
sanderson and his theory about the vile

1820
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:29,520
vortices and all that

1821
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:33,039
so right right um but you know

1822
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,559
there are a lot of mysteries within that

1823
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:36,160
triangle and you know through the course

1824
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:36,480
of

1825
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,000
several episodes we uh

1826
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,280
you know we approached a lot of them and

1827
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,200
they're based on inuit legends

1828
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,680
and uh but you know we do find in many

1829
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:47,440
cases that there there are ongoing

1830
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,589
uh now you did the experiment with the

1831
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,440
drone i don't know which episode it was

1832
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,960
which i thought was really

1833
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,960
interesting because you set this drone

1834
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:00,079
up

1835
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,760
somehow

1836
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,400
uh almost like you were suggesting it

1837
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,480
may have hit some type of uh

1838
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:10,880
portal of some type and then you found

1839
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,680
it another

1840
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:14,960
distance away uh

1841
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,430
well the the disappearance was pretty

1842
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,359
perplexing i mean that thing shot up in

1843
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:24,799
the air and it just vanished from the

1844
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,440
side

1845
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,720
i have to admit i don't have a lot of

1846
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,119
experience with drones right so

1847
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:31,440
i yeah i was kind of excited oh cool

1848
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,039
that was our first episode that we found

1849
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,200
was with glasses during off in the year

1850
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,880
and yeah it definitely vanished from

1851
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,039
sight um

1852
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,599
beyond that we did find it later on in

1853
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:44,160
kind of an unexpected scenario

1854
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:47,359
so uh you know pretty weird

1855
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:50,799
but um you know again you have to keep

1856
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:51,359
in mind

1857
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,880
with you know i think sean put it best

1858
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,559
earlier when he was talking about how

1859
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,280
you know tv shows sometimes they uh the

1860
01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:59,119
editors have to dial things or feel like

1861
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,480
they have to dial things up a bit

1862
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,680
because

1863
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,319
yeah you have shows and you know and the

1864
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,839
reactions were genuine i mean when we

1865
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:07,359
didn't find the drone it was like holy

1866
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,319
crap you know

1867
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:10,240
but that's what i was expecting right

1868
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:11,440
there but

1869
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:15,359
um you know there are there are i guess

1870
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:16,960
what i'm trying to say is that we can't

1871
01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:19,920
dismiss possibly pragmatic reasons that

1872
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,680
things happened and maybe we were just

1873
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:23,119
you know caught up in the excitement of

1874
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,240
the moment

1875
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,400
but it definitely vanished from sight

1876
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,160
and as far as just finding it later i

1877
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:29,680
think that you know

1878
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:32,960
who knows i mean you know

1879
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,240
kind of one of those things where at the

1880
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,480
right place at the right time you know

1881
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,640
and it was it was flashing so you know

1882
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,799
this thing is it looks like a ufo it

1883
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,960
kind of flashes and pulses light so

1884
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,440
it's easy to spot from a really far

1885
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,480
distance

1886
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:48,160
uh particularly at night out there in

1887
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:49,599
the mountains there's not a lot of

1888
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:52,839
light sources out there so

1889
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,559
um so what can we look forward to

1890
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,240
in the next couple of episodes you're

1891
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,599
allowed to say anything about that

1892
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,480
yeah you know what i i'm gonna do it i

1893
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:05,440
don't know if i'm allowed to but i'm

1894
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,640
gonna do it um

1895
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:08,400
no i i think they've actually appeared

1896
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,160
i've heard the descriptions appear

1897
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:13,039
on um on at least one cable provider's

1898
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,760
website

1899
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:16,079
so since they it is apparently being put

1900
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,119
out there somewhere

1901
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,520
um some of the next i'm excited several

1902
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:21,520
of the next we have 10 episodes left

1903
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,720
uh in season one and um

1904
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,880
at least eight or nine of those episodes

1905
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,240
i believe deal with

1906
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:31,440
creatures uh legendary creatures and you

1907
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,079
know uh

1908
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,839
alaska of course has a vast array of

1909
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:35,920
cryptids uh many that people have not

1910
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,480
heard of

1911
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:39,280
so we are going to do an episode about

1912
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,680
harp

1913
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:42,160
you mentioned that a moment ago uh it is

1914
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:42,799
true

1915
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:46,880
that harp was shut down

1916
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,280
years ago there are some people that

1917
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,880
believe that that's not the case there

1918
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,319
are other people that have

1919
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,079
indicated to me that they think that

1920
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:56,720
harp has been replaced by a superior

1921
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,359
uh version that's kind of top secret

1922
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,119
that people don't know about

1923
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:03,839
um but you know we do talk about heart

1924
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:05,760
because it is kind of an interesting uh

1925
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,480
phenomenon thing that's been going on

1926
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,400
there for a long time and uh

1927
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,119
uh i mentioned nick begich jr a moment

1928
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:15,200
ago the uh the alaska state senator well

1929
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:16,400
his son

1930
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,599
dr nick vegas jr uh has

1931
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,839
written several books about harp and as

1932
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:23,920
a strong advocate against harp and

1933
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,280
the potential uh you know uh backlash

1934
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,359
from those types of experiments

1935
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,680
uh so we got him on the show and you

1936
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:32,960
know we basically wanted to

1937
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:35,680
cover that as a possible reason for you

1938
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,319
know

1939
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,839
maybe not directly linked to

1940
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,760
disappearances but you know you're

1941
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:40,880
talking about

1942
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,319
essentially uh a giant transmitter

1943
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,559
that's beaming electromagnetic energy up

1944
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,359
into the

1945
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,880
atmosphere well that could have

1946
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:52,559
potential to cause

1947
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,960
uh malfunctioning you know electronics

1948
01:07:01,589 --> 01:07:00,000
uh even things like gauges and airplanes

1949
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,599
and stuff you know which is pretty

1950
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,119
scarier do you think about that kind of

1951
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:05,119
stuff so we're talking about

1952
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,799
missing airplanes a few minutes ago and

1953
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,160
now you're talking about

1954
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,400
a potential reason that airplane

1955
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,160
instrumentation could go

1956
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:15,200
uh ahri up there um

1957
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:16,559
and then we uh get into some of the

1958
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:17,839
creatures after that now the first

1959
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,880
creature that we're gonna

1960
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,640
tackle is called has a number of

1961
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:22,319
different native names

1962
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,559
uh but we call it the eight extreme [\h__\h]

1963
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:29,039
and uh or dyncioc and basically they are

1964
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,720
like diminutive

1965
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,680
uh almost like sinister gnome-like

1966
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:35,760
creatures they're described as standing

1967
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:38,720
like three feet tall uh definitely

1968
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,599
different

1969
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:42,240
than bigfoot um very similar to the

1970
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,839
beams that i investigated down in

1971
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:45,680
central america known as the dwendy kind

1972
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:46,400
of like

1973
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,000
uh magical mystical little apparitions

1974
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,119
but uh they have a very sinister side

1975
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,720
and it is believed that they will try to

1976
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,119
abduct people and abduct children

1977
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,760
and that's a pretty widespread um belief

1978
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:01,520
up there and it's based on an inuit

1979
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,720
legend that's very well

1980
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:05,760
known so we look at that those little

1981
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:06,559
creatures

1982
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:09,599
um we are also looking at uh directly

1983
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,880
after that we're going to be looking at

1984
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:11,920
a giant

1985
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,359
cryptid canid uh known as the amarok

1986
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,839
which is kind of like uh basically

1987
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:20,560
described as like a bear dog type animal

1988
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,920
uh apex predator something along the

1989
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:25,040
lines of a

1990
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:28,560
of a giant wolf or uh you know

1991
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,600
maybe some type of uh ancient carnivore

1992
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:34,080
like a mess or nyquid or something like

1993
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,120
that you know so

1994
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:37,520
just basically they call it a demon wolf

1995
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,239
but uh

1996
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,640
again it's kind of like a monster wolf

1997
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:41,759
bear

1998
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,520
kind of creature um we also look at

1999
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,839
uh and this is an episode where my

2000
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,679
friend nick nick redfern actually was

2001
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:51,199
involved we uh

2002
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,920
look at sightings of basically snow

2003
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,719
monkeys

2004
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:57,199
uh up there there's the legends of the

2005
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,159
katani

2006
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:00,159
which are described as the tailed ones

2007
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:01,600
or the tailed men

2008
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,400
uh well the the the modern descriptions

2009
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,920
of those that we dug out basically

2010
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,359
people described these

2011
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,759
uh again very different from bigfoot uh

2012
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:10,400
these are

2013
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:14,319
essentially uh uh monkeys uh you know

2014
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:17,759
kind of large vicious uh tailed monkeys

2015
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,440
that live in that live in caves

2016
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,520
and you know not that dissimilar from

2017
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,040
some of the large monkey species that

2018
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,880
you have in asia but again

2019
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,440
repeatedly very vicious very hostile and

2020
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,759
aggressive towards people

2021
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:33,199
and have a very high intelligence so

2022
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,560
those are some of the creatures that we

2023
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:36,080
have coming up and then after that we

2024
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,719
have some

2025
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,400
we get into some aquatic cryptids and

2026
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:40,560
some other things on the final

2027
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,920
few episodes uh or

2028
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:45,520
any of these creatures that you

2029
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,630
missing persons

2030
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,990
uh well that's you know that that's

2031
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,040
basically what we're trying to

2032
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,199
investigate

2033
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,600
is there potential that people could be

2034
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,960
falling prey i guess

2035
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:03,360
falling victim to some of these highly

2036
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:04,080
aggressive

2037
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:07,760
creatures cryptids out here um

2038
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:10,239
you know that you know uh sean was

2039
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,040
talking about

2040
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,880
david pilates earlier of course everyone

2041
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:14,400
is very familiar with his research and

2042
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,360
his theories

2043
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:18,239
kind of groundbreaking um you know there

2044
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:18,880
are

2045
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,920
prevalent uh legends with regard to the

2046
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,159
the alaskan hairy man that they are

2047
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:26,159
you know basically that they do abduct

2048
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,360
humans

2049
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,360
and you know if you consider the some of

2050
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,880
the famous accounts that we have in

2051
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,640
sasquatch florida

2052
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,360
the alleged abduction of uh prospector

2053
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:37,360
albert osman in british columbia you

2054
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,679
know

2055
01:10:40,790 --> 01:10:39,840
kidnapped by a family of sasquatches and

2056
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,800
held

2057
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:43,440
imprisoned it for several days uh there

2058
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,080
are similar

2059
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,360
in alaska

2060
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,760
even a very uh recent story a young

2061
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,440
native woman who claimed that she was

2062
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,199
uh abducted and held by a family of

2063
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,640
sasquatches so

2064
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,080
we're kind of following that line of

2065
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,239
thinking could people up uh

2066
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,440
in alaska be either potentially falling

2067
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,679
victim being abducted or kidnapped

2068
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,239
by intelligent you know hominid type

2069
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,600
beings or

2070
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,360
you know could they be potentially

2071
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,120
victimized and you know are they

2072
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:13,120
being killed by or are falling prey to

2073
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,320
some of these other

2074
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,520
uh cryptids which are uh you know

2075
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,840
according to descriptions uh very

2076
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:21,520
intimidating

2077
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:24,480
very scary uh we had a question in the

2078
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,440
chat room uh

2079
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:28,480
is there any evidence to show that uh

2080
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,560
if there's a distance of missing people

2081
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:32,960
either during the day or in the evening

2082
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,400
uh is it is there a preference

2083
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,640
um you know that's an interesting

2084
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,400
question but

2085
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,159
you know if you if you've been to alaska

2086
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,080
you realize that

2087
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,400
half the year it's a whole lot of night

2088
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:47,920
not a lot of days

2089
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:49,280
and the other half of the year it's

2090
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:59,270
when the seasons are more light and the

2091
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:00,159
seasons are more

2092
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:03,840
dark is uh is one uh

2093
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,040
seem to uh have more missing persons

2094
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,280
than the other

2095
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,520
uh you know i don't think we ever did

2096
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,480
break that down

2097
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,880
so i can't give you a really good that's

2098
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:15,920
a great question

2099
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:18,800
but um i would assume that more people

2100
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,320
by far would go missing during the

2101
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,320
winter months uh

2102
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,159
you know because it is pretty

2103
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,320
treacherous i mean you're talking about

2104
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,080
uh wind chills that can get down to

2105
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:30,320
ridiculously low negative 30 negative

2106
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:31,120
40. now

2107
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:32,480
most people that live in alaska are

2108
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:34,960
acclimated to that and prepared for that

2109
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,000
but situations do arise where

2110
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:40,640
you know people are aren't prepared and

2111
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:41,280
uh

2112
01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:42,640
you know that could definitely lead to

2113
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,520
dire circumstances

2114
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:46,880
[Music]

2115
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:49,760
well shawn you have anything well yeah

2116
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,120
we spent a lot of time talking about

2117
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,960
alaska and of course you know

2118
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,880
rightfully so with miss again alaska but

2119
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,719
what uh what have you been focusing on

2120
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,560
in the lower 48 can anything interesting

2121
01:13:03,350 --> 01:12:59,600
coming up in this

2122
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,360
in this area oh well um

2123
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,760
yeah actually i i just um finished a

2124
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:06,560
manuscript

2125
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,440
for uh for a new book um it won't be

2126
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,120
released until next year

2127
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:12,960
but uh it's gonna be with louellan

2128
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,800
publishing and it's uh

2129
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,960
titled uh a menagerie of mysterious

2130
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,000
beasts

2131
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:21,040
and uh it's kind of a potpourri or a

2132
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,400
mixture of different

2133
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,840
uh creatures that i've either

2134
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,920
investigated or

2135
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,840
you know lots of reports and accounts

2136
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,280
that i've collected over the past

2137
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:31,760
several years

2138
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,960
you know there's some really interesting

2139
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,120
things in there you know uh we do uh

2140
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,280
i do a chapter on the minnesota ice man

2141
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,719
which of course is a

2142
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,880
a topic that's near and dear to my and

2143
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:42,880
probably a lot of bigfooters hearts but

2144
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,880
i had the opportunity to see the the

2145
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,880
resurfacing so to speak of the minnesota

2146
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,719
iceman a couple of years ago and i was

2147
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:49,840
involved in

2148
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,199
uh i remember strong delights

2149
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,880
it's actually uh right now it's on

2150
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:56,960
display at lauren coleman's uh

2151
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,719
international cryptozoology museum up

2152
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,000
there in portland maine so if there's

2153
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,520
anyone in the northeast who wants to see

2154
01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:03,199
the minnesota iceman that's a great

2155
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:04,640
opportunity to see that

2156
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,760
i also wrote a chapter about uh you know

2157
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,440
kind of strange hominids

2158
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,280
thunderbirds of course always a huge

2159
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,880
focus of my research and i've

2160
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,880
collected many many thunderbird accounts

2161
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:16,400
that have never been published over the

2162
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,199
past

2163
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,719
few years people that have come forward

2164
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,080
they've really had the courage to come

2165
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,320
forward and share their experiences

2166
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,360
lots of living pterodactyl reports some

2167
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:27,440
sea monsters

2168
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,960
and there's some really weird like you

2169
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:30,880
know some giant amphibians

2170
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,000
and uh uh giant insects

2171
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,320
and you know sleepy collies and even

2172
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,239
kind of some spectral apparition type

2173
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,679
things that are you know

2174
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,480
kind of up lawn valley there so uh so

2175
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,040
that book should be out next year and uh

2176
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,199
um been working on that one for quite a

2177
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,640
while and then you know right now i'm

2178
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,159
just kind of uh

2179
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,840
gearing up for the mothman festival

2180
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:53,280
which you mentioned i'll be speaking

2181
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,239
there on the

2182
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:56,159
on the 19th and 20th up in point

2183
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,840
pleasant i'm real excited to be up there

2184
01:15:03,270 --> 01:14:59,840
for the first time

2185
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,280
and um we also have a texas bigfoot

2186
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:04,880
conference coming up in october

2187
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,000
uh shortly after that so those are the

2188
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:09,679
main things i'm working on right now but

2189
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:10,000
uh

2190
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,800
later in the kind of early planning

2191
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,159
stages but we're just gonna kind of see

2192
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,719
how it goes

2193
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,800
well you keep busy i'm gonna be

2194
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:21,920
interested in that book

2195
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,480
uh that sounds interesting because uh

2196
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:25,600
well you know

2197
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,280
i i'm i always enjoy new stories or uh

2198
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,520
you know new sightings that never i mean

2199
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,600
or even old sightings i've never been

2200
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,320
you know put out there before and uh

2201
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:38,320
yeah that that sounds very interesting

2202
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,679
of course i'll definitely be getting

2203
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,520
that

2204
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:43,199
yeah for sure lon and you know i think

2205
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:45,120
it's a i'll make sure you have a copy of

2206
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,080
the way brother because

2207
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,199
i think it is important that all of us

2208
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,800
you know kind of in this field that

2209
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,880
investigate these weird creature reports

2210
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:54,560
cryptids or whatever you know it is

2211
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:56,000
important that we have a free exchange

2212
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,800
of information

2213
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,040
sightings and lon is our long has always

2214
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:01,440
been awesome in terms of sending me

2215
01:16:04,950 --> 01:16:04,320
uh links or sightings to things that he

2216
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:04,960
you know he thinks

2217
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,239
might be of interest to me in my

2218
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,080
research and uh

2219
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,920
you know i've i've kind of been keeping

2220
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,280
these uh

2221
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,719
on the down low while i've been writing

2222
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:14,239
the book but as soon as the book is out

2223
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:16,080
i want to get those reports out there

2224
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:17,040
because

2225
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,080
you never know when you're going to

2226
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,960
connect the dots isn't that right

2227
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,560
that's one of the exciting parts about

2228
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,000
investigating this stuff is when you

2229
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:26,000
start realizing that

2230
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,679
you get corroborating reports from

2231
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,360
different people or

2232
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:31,120
you know one particular area starts

2233
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,840
producing a lot of sightings so

2234
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,000
um uh yeah there's a lot of uh kind of

2235
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,760
kind of new reports uh that are gonna be

2236
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,400
in the book that are pretty cool

2237
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,239
well maybe one day we'll ring the bell

2238
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:43,920
some uh

2239
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,480
maybe start connecting some you know i

2240
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:48,080
i've always thought that there's a fine

2241
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,280
line between

2242
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,199
much of you know the paranormal

2243
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,600
supernatural cryptozoology

2244
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:56,080
uh that there may be a connection and

2245
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:56,800
most likely

2246
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:59,199
there is a connection though it's not

2247
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,719
something we're actually seeing

2248
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:02,719
at the moment but you know we're

2249
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:04,640
theorizing a lot of things you know

2250
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,850
and and you know some of the information

2251
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,360
[Music]

2252
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,520
has has kind of brought a few things

2253
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:13,520
alike i feel over the years

2254
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:16,560
and recently yeah and uh you know it's

2255
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,679
some pretty neat stuff

2256
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,640
it really is it's a good time to be in

2257
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,120
cryptozoology

2258
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:24,960
absolutely you know i'm very encouraged

2259
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:27,040
by the the show of interest and support

2260
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,760
and

2261
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:29,520
uh you know lots of different pursuits

2262
01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:31,120
that i've been involved in

2263
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,719
and you know what's really cool guys is

2264
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:34,800
i get lately i've been getting a lot of

2265
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,679
messages or emails from young people

2266
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:39,600
that are in high school or junior high

2267
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,719
and they want to know how to become a

2268
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,320
cryptozoologist or they're writing a

2269
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:44,960
paper on the subject or something

2270
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:47,840
and you know we let me just say i think

2271
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,440
the future's in good hands because i

2272
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:50,640
mean these young people

2273
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:52,880
today they really have a lot of good

2274
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:53,679
information

2275
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,280
and they know their stuff but they

2276
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,040
really do so i mean

2277
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:59,120
uh it's gonna be exciting and uh it's

2278
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,560
it's cool that you know we've got a

2279
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:01,679
generation of

2280
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,040
young monster hunters coming up yeah i

2281
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,320
i'm i'm also encouraged by that as well

2282
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,320
because i do get a lot of uh

2283
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:12,560
inquiries from you know from the young

2284
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,000
folks and uh

2285
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:17,040
that's that's great i mean you know i've

2286
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:18,640
actually got a lot of readers that are

2287
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:19,040
young

2288
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,880
you know in the blog so absolutely

2289
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:29,760
so sean you got uh you got anything else

2290
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:30,960
i always got something

2291
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:33,199
i'm always i'm always excited and ready

2292
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,640
to talk cryptozoology but one thing i

2293
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:36,159
had to give ken credit for

2294
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,640
is a lot of people call themselves

2295
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,080
cryptozoologists but can you really

2296
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,719
walk the walk uh when you do this i mean

2297
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,239
you know just listening to you

2298
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:46,719
and all the topics you tackle tackle we

2299
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,920
have to commend you

2300
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,920
on what you do getting out there and

2301
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,440
investigating exploring

2302
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,840
all these different cryptozoological

2303
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,360
creatures but i guess my question is

2304
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,400
when do you find the time

2305
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,960
oh man yeah there's always uh yeah

2306
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,880
that's that's a struggle because

2307
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:04,719
i've got you know particularly now

2308
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,640
because i have a lot of uh

2309
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,000
people around the country that are

2310
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,760
involved in different investigations and

2311
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,280
groups and uh

2312
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,199
uh they're keeping me in the loop and

2313
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:14,800
i'm you know i'm always interested in

2314
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,400
following other people's

2315
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,640
uh you know research and seeing what

2316
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,239
they're coming up with but

2317
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,000
you know i always have invitations to

2318
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,840
come join people in the field and travel

2319
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:25,199
different places you know

2320
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,560
unfortunately i just you know a lot of

2321
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:27,760
those i just haven't been able to do

2322
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,880
lately so that's been kind of

2323
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,159
discouraging

2324
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,960
but um kind of back coming for just a

2325
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:34,719
second sean i really appreciate your

2326
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:36,159
kind word that was very nice of you to

2327
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,880
say

2328
01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,040
i want to rewind to much earlier in the

2329
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:40,960
show when lana was asking me about the

2330
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:43,840
the bipedal kane the quote-unquote dog

2331
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:45,199
man

2332
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:47,840
cryptozoology of course is based on you

2333
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,400
know

2334
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,640
actual zoology and i think that as much

2335
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,760
as we like to

2336
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:53,120
or tend to get into kind of these

2337
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:54,719
romantic notions with regard to these

2338
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,840
creatures

2339
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,600
and it is true that some of these things

2340
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,199
may be you know

2341
01:20:02,310 --> 01:20:01,920
spectral or metaphysical we don't know

2342
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,320
you know

2343
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:04,080
looking at something like a dog man you

2344
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,679
have to approach it from a zoological

2345
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,440
perspective first i think and

2346
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:09,600
you know there is really no evidence

2347
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,199
that a canid would

2348
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:13,440
have adapted bipedalism as a primary

2349
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,040
motive locomotion

2350
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,280
you know what what benefit would have at

2351
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,880
that point there's no evidence of that

2352
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,400
in the fossil history

2353
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,000
so you know that's that's one of the

2354
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:24,000
things that's kind of like i have i kind

2355
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,800
of have my

2356
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,560
my little folder over here to the side

2357
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:28,480
where i have the

2358
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:32,320
the dog men and the flying humanoids and

2359
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,920
the goat men and the mermaids and all

2360
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,360
those kind of weird

2361
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:38,159
new form creatures tucked away and then

2362
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:39,520
you know the primary focus

2363
01:20:42,790 --> 01:20:41,280
of cryptozoology has always been and

2364
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:42,800
should continue to be

2365
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,920
uh species that are viable you know and

2366
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:47,920
i think something like bigfoot is viable

2367
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:48,400
you have

2368
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,880
giant hominids that lived you know we

2369
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:52,400
know for a fact it lived

2370
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,840
hundreds of thousands of years ago in

2371
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:55,360
china who's to say they didn't make it

2372
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,239
over here

2373
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:58,960
you have all kinds of monstrous marine

2374
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,320
saurians and giant

2375
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:02,719
you know archaic whales who used to say

2376
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:03,840
that some of those couldn't

2377
01:21:07,350 --> 01:21:06,080
still live in the ocean and be viable

2378
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:07,360
sea mon you know according to

2379
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,719
sea monsters things like that

2380
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:10,960
thunderbirds you know thunderbirds match

2381
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,600
with actually an actual fossil form the

2382
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,080
these giant raptor-like birds that live

2383
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,080
during the pleistocene so you have

2384
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,679
a lot of cryptids that are actually from

2385
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,280
a scientific perspective

2386
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,480
you know there's a lot of potential

2387
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:24,080
there and then the fun part of

2388
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,440
cryptozoology and

2389
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,840
monster hunting is you have this folder

2390
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,520
the folder off to the side with the kind

2391
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,520
of really the weird stuff

2392
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,080
that you can't wrap your head around but

2393
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,920
you still you can still investigate it

2394
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,440
you know because there's still

2395
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,880
you know there's still questions there

2396
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,400
and it's a line of evidence that you

2397
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:43,120
have to pursue either way so

2398
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,639
well you know the thing that's most

2399
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:47,040
fascinating to me about some people

2400
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,320
seeing the weird stuff

2401
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:50,239
is a lot of these sightings if not most

2402
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:51,520
of these sightings

2403
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,639
come from people that have no idea

2404
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:57,679
what cryptozoology is

2405
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:01,679
and you know you talk to them and

2406
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:03,920
they you know they don't know you know

2407
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:06,480
they actually do not know what they saw

2408
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,280
and that's the great thing now does

2409
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:11,199
their imagination kind of get a hold of

2410
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:12,239
them well that's what you got to

2411
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,120
determine

2412
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,880
you know did they kind of embellish on

2413
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:17,360
it because of the shock value

2414
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,600
you know of seeing this thing but

2415
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:24,400
i don't i don't think that's a big part

2416
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:24,880
of it

2417
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:27,040
you know they actually think they see

2418
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,159
these things

2419
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,480
and i think for the most part they get

2420
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,120
they get the information right

2421
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,719
yeah well you know that's the thing is

2422
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,320
you can't disprove it

2423
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,080
and you know i i for one never really

2424
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,080
want to question someone's

2425
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:43,120
uh testimony or personal experience you

2426
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,719
know i do interview a lot of people that

2427
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,320
have had remarkable experiences with

2428
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,080
things that i can't explain

2429
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,239
and you can't question their their

2430
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,320
sincerity i mean they really

2431
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,320
you know there's almost like a a

2432
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,679
post-traumatic stress

2433
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,920
that develops after some of these these

2434
01:23:02,629 --> 01:22:58,960
encounters

2435
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,639
so i guess the question comes down to

2436
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,520
is is it something that is like an

2437
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:07,360
ultra-terrestrial intelligence are we

2438
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,800
talking about something that's either

2439
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,000
coming here

2440
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,679
through a doorway from another dimension

2441
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:13,360
as some people like to say

2442
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:17,679
or manifesting um somehow supernaturally

2443
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,400
or is it

2444
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,159
or are these phenomena are they

2445
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,400
projected from us as individuals

2446
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,080
is it something that we create deep in

2447
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,000
the recesses of our mind

2448
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:28,080
and then somehow project onto the fabric

2449
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:29,520
of our reality

2450
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:32,159
our paradigm and that would explain for

2451
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,120
example why

2452
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,360
why we have this whole rash of dog man

2453
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,960
sightings right it's almost like people

2454
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,600
are giving

2455
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,480
giving the dog man life now somehow it's

2456
01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:41,840
kind of a weird

2457
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,280
phenomenon but you know it could be

2458
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:45,360
either or but you know i don't doubt

2459
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:45,920
that people

2460
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,360
are having these experiences it's just

2461
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,440
you know so far out there that it's

2462
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,199
really hard to

2463
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:56,239
you know to find answers do you think

2464
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:57,679
there's still room

2465
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:01,120
in this field and i guess i'll step back

2466
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,000
a moment just clarify

2467
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:04,480
what i'm going to ask it you know

2468
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:05,199
connecting

2469
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:07,840
the cryptozoological let's say the

2470
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,560
bigfoot

2471
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:11,600
to uh you know more of

2472
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,960
a uh para paranormal uh aspect you know

2473
01:24:17,669 --> 01:24:17,120
disappearing wormholes that that sort of

2474
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,679
deal

2475
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:19,440
and we've been battling this for a long

2476
01:24:23,189 --> 01:24:21,760
time in in the in the bigfoot realm and

2477
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,199
there's always been that tug of war

2478
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:25,840
between the flesh and blood folk and the

2479
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:28,480
paranormal believers is there room still

2480
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:29,040
for that

2481
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,960
for both those sides to exist is there

2482
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:32,800
is there a way for there to be some sort

2483
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,600
of

2484
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,520
you know meshing together that maybe we

2485
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,520
are looking at completely different

2486
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,360
uh entities maybe we're looking at

2487
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:41,199
completely different

2488
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,320
uh uh beings in itself i mean we don't

2489
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,000
have the answers to all these

2490
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,480
questions we we don't have a whole lot

2491
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,760
of real evidence

2492
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,080
uh you know to prove these things exist

2493
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,480
besides what we believe to be evidence

2494
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,440
and you know is there room for these two

2495
01:25:02,390 --> 01:24:58,960
perspectives to still

2496
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:04,070
wow that's a great question you know

2497
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,920
sean i have to say it's

2498
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,280
in my opinion it's probably getting

2499
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,040
harder and harder for for us to have

2500
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:11,280
that kind of harmonious

2501
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:14,639
existence coexistence in in the bigfoot

2502
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:15,679
world for example

2503
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,800
um and the reason is is that it's very i

2504
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:20,719
think it's very difficult for all humans

2505
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,239
all people to detach themselves from

2506
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:27,120
their emotions and their belief systems

2507
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,760
and be

2508
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,520
you know purely objective and look at

2509
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,679
things you know very skeptically and

2510
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:32,880
objectively i think

2511
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,600
you have some people that are very very

2512
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,520
much

2513
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,280
they almost become believers it almost

2514
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:40,960
becomes like a like a religion

2515
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:42,400
like they want to believe their

2516
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:44,239
particular theory

2517
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,440
or you know belief you know with regard

2518
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,360
to these creatures so bad that they

2519
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,760
start rejecting evidence that that might

2520
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:53,040
conflict with that you know what i'm

2521
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,400
saying and

2522
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,679
um it's a very polarizing topic uh

2523
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:59,679
you know even in terms of you know let's

2524
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:00,960
just subtract the

2525
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:03,920
the paranormal aspect of bigfoot for a

2526
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,719
moment

2527
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,320
there's been this ongoing debate for

2528
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:08,400
years and years of whether big if they

2529
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,120
could exist

2530
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,600
is it more of like a hominid is it is it

2531
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:13,520
a man-like form is it closely related to

2532
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,840
us

2533
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,600
are they some people are even calling

2534
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,360
them the forest people now

2535
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,159
or is it simply a big lumbering eight

2536
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,080
you know some type of antipoid or

2537
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,320
pongid you know that basically has

2538
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,719
learned how to walk upright like we do

2539
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:30,000
you know so and and those two arguments

2540
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,719
actually touch

2541
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:33,199
on people's religious belief systems

2542
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,320
because you have

2543
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,080
people that are devoutly religious that

2544
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:37,920
don't want to accept the fact that there

2545
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,239
are

2546
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:41,120
other quote-unquote human species or

2547
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,560
human-like forms

2548
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,159
and you know on the other side you have

2549
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:46,080
people that are purely scientific

2550
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:48,560
that you know don't want to accept you

2551
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:49,520
know a b and c

2552
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,639
you know you know what i'm saying so i

2553
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:52,400
mean i think that's the problem is

2554
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:53,520
people are very

2555
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,040
these these uh these are supercharged

2556
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:59,360
subjects that we investigate and it's

2557
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,880
very easy to get sucked in

2558
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,560
and for people to become emotionally

2559
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,320
attached to their

2560
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:06,639
theory their belief it's very political

2561
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:07,840
now

2562
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:11,040
yeah so i would like to think that we

2563
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:13,360
could we could all be open-minded but

2564
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:16,880
um you know and and maybe lean a little

2565
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,440
bit

2566
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:19,040
either direction but i just don't know

2567
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,480
if that's possible anymore

2568
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,560
well it took me 20 years to admit there

2569
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,960
might be something to habituation so

2570
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,600
i don't know i guess maybe over time

2571
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:29,120
people can change and i guess it's okay

2572
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,480
for people to realize you can change

2573
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:32,080
your opinion over time

2574
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,520
you know the more you open your mind the

2575
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,360
more you read you know you can it's okay

2576
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,360
to change your mind on things

2577
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,440
as more becomes apparent but i guess for

2578
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:41,840
me you know personally speaking

2579
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:45,199
that uh i'm still a little hesitant

2580
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,199
to admit there might be something

2581
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,120
paranormal to these creatures lon you

2582
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:50,880
know that we talk about it every

2583
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:54,480
every week uh but there's definitely

2584
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,920
there's some cryptids out there that i'm

2585
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,440
okay saying that are flesh and blood for

2586
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:59,280
me i still believe bigfoot's a flesh and

2587
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,239
blood creature

2588
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:02,400
but there are some other entities out

2589
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,520
there that

2590
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,560
i just can't nail down i can't put my uh

2591
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,000
i can't put my finger on and say you

2592
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:10,080
know what that's what it is we got these

2593
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,840
flying rays for crying out loud that i

2594
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,520
have no idea what they are

2595
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,840
but uh people are seeing them and and

2596
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:17,440
some of these people

2597
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:20,159
are are very honest and and again on the

2598
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,760
show we've talked many times you can

2599
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,560
tell

2600
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,159
when you're interviewing and talking to

2601
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:26,159
somebody that you know firmly believes

2602
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:27,600
that this is what they seen here they

2603
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,800
really saw what they

2604
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,719
what they believed they did or that

2605
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:32,800
they've convinced themselves so

2606
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:36,239
so um strongly that

2607
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,080
there's no shaking you know that this is

2608
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:40,000
what they believe they saw

2609
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,360
this is really interesting what we do

2610
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:43,040
and the way people tell stories their

2611
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:44,000
body language

2612
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,600
is incredible and i was talking to lon

2613
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,960
about that before we got on the show

2614
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:49,040
when there were gentlemen talking on

2615
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:50,400
missing in alaska the one thing i

2616
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,920
noticed about you ken is you paid an

2617
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,600
awful lot of attention to the person

2618
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,880
talking

2619
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,800
sharing their experience like you're

2620
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,000
kind of studying them

2621
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:00,159
to pick up on what they were kind of

2622
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,600
projecting is that something you believe

2623
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:03,040
in too do you really believe in the body

2624
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:03,679
language

2625
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:07,120
and the physical tells absolutely

2626
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,400
and um you know one of my first

2627
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,920
asks someone asked me is you know if we

2628
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:15,120
have a phone interview

2629
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:16,719
you know i try to get to know that

2630
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,880
person as much as possible but

2631
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:20,159
you know moreover there will be

2632
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,000
follow-up phone calls where i'll call

2633
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:24,400
the the same eyewitness randomly maybe

2634
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,360
three months later and ask him the same

2635
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:29,280
questions all over again just to see if

2636
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,480
if you have that

2637
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:33,040
that consistency you know that's that

2638
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:34,480
can be pretty compelling when someone

2639
01:29:38,229 --> 01:29:36,080
tells you the same

2640
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,239
exact experience over and over again you

2641
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,080
know with every detail being

2642
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,639
you know perfectly aligned uh as opposed

2643
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,000
to people that tend to

2644
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,480
be a little bit more esoteric and you

2645
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,840
know perhaps

2646
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,080
you know things that the details are

2647
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,000
changing slightly you're embellishing

2648
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:54,159
gradually every time you know just

2649
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:56,080
unfortunately you have to cast a

2650
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:59,280
more of a skeptical uh for more of a

2651
01:30:02,629 --> 01:30:00,880
skeptical opinion about those types of

2652
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,639
people so yeah but you're right and you

2653
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:04,159
can learn a lot about somebody by you

2654
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:05,679
know looking in their eyes reading their

2655
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:06,000
body

2656
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:09,280
language trying to understand maybe

2657
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:10,239
their

2658
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,760
experience that's you know the best of

2659
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,320
your ability and so forth so um

2660
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,239
but that's also you know that being said

2661
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,159
one of the truly rewarding aspects

2662
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:23,040
of what i do and i feel very blessed to

2663
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:25,280
have the opportunity to pursue these

2664
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,920
uh different mysteries is you know

2665
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:29,440
getting to meet the people and getting

2666
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,159
to know them

2667
01:30:33,189 --> 01:30:31,920
and trying to understand their

2668
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:33,199
experience

2669
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,400
um you know and i think there's a

2670
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:38,080
reverse side effect there which is

2671
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:39,600
you know oftentimes these are people

2672
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:42,000
that uh they've had experiences that

2673
01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:43,440
they can't explain

2674
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:45,040
uh that have shaken the foundation of

2675
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,639
their reality that

2676
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,560
you know they're afraid to talk you know

2677
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:50,239
to their spouses or their best friends

2678
01:30:52,470 --> 01:30:51,760
you know because they they don't want to

2679
01:30:54,390 --> 01:30:52,480
be

2680
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,400
you know criticized or looked looked

2681
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:55,840
upon in a funny way so

2682
01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:57,120
you know a lot of times by giving them

2683
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,120
an outlet someone to talk to

2684
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,679
and providing you know maybe additional

2685
01:31:04,709 --> 01:31:03,360
accounts that correspondence you know

2686
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:04,719
you can you can maybe provide a little

2687
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,520
bit of closure

2688
01:31:09,669 --> 01:31:06,800
i guess does that make sense what i'm

2689
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:11,510
you know long long probably knows what

2690
01:31:13,590 --> 01:31:12,880
i'm talking about too because i'm sure

2691
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:13,600
you

2692
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,639
know so someone says that they've seen a

2693
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,760
dog man

2694
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:19,440
and you know they they may feel

2695
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,880
uncomfortable about talking about it but

2696
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,400
then you you go through your files and

2697
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,159
you find out that someone saw

2698
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:26,639
that exact same dog man two months

2699
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,199
earlier

2700
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,880
30 miles away you know what i'm saying

2701
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:30,320
and then you give them that information

2702
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:31,600
you're like look i don't know what you

2703
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:34,560
saw but look at this

2704
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,159
again it's about connecting the dots

2705
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:39,199
when that stuff happens it's pretty fun

2706
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:41,760
oh yeah it's uh it's been gratifying you

2707
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,320
know

2708
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:44,080
people ask me well how can you write

2709
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:46,000
that blog every day or how can you do

2710
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:47,120
this

2711
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,719
i mean if i didn't love it i didn't i

2712
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:50,960
wouldn't be doing it guarantee it

2713
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:53,760
i mean i'm not making no money off of it

2714
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:54,480
so

2715
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:58,159
uh

2716
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,360
it kind of gets stuck in your psyche and

2717
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,360
you know it's something you got to do

2718
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,040
yeah i guess it's like a drug to me i

2719
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:07,199
guess

2720
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:10,639
that's okay yeah you know i want to know

2721
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,000
the truth i want to know what's out

2722
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:15,120
there you know uh if i happen to be

2723
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:16,800
lucky enough to figure something out

2724
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:19,679
someday then well

2725
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,560
that's that's great but you know you

2726
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:24,320
know i just like this you know

2727
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:26,800
and i think and i think the one thing

2728
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:27,440
about the

2729
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:30,480
the crypto uh community is

2730
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,320
that overall i think most people

2731
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,480
most people that do this do share a lot

2732
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:38,080
of the information

2733
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,320
and uh i i've been really i've been

2734
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,000
really heartened by that

2735
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:44,239
uh you know you see it all the time and

2736
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:45,840
i i think that's great

2737
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:48,320
and uh that's that can't do anything but

2738
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:50,000
help what we do

2739
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:53,280
so um hey man all the power to you can i

2740
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:54,560
i really do

2741
01:33:03,510 --> 01:32:58,080
uh

2742
01:33:04,390 --> 01:33:03,520
this was great i'm glad we got you on

2743
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,400
and uh

2744
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:06,480
i know the listeners are are really

2745
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:07,679
thrilled about

2746
01:33:10,870 --> 01:33:09,679
listening to what you uh what you go

2747
01:33:13,830 --> 01:33:10,880
through and

2748
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:13,840
the the new show and uh and that you got

2749
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:15,120
a new book coming

2750
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:18,719
up how can people get a hold of you

2751
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,080
well um first of all thanks for having

2752
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:23,520
me on again guys this is an

2753
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,800
awesome experience um great questions

2754
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,639
and uh thanks to everyone in the chat

2755
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:30,080
room everyone that listened in because i

2756
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:30,719
think this was

2757
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,120
this is definitely a lot of fun and uh i

2758
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:35,360
appreciate it and uh

2759
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:37,840
i would uh sort of get in touch with me

2760
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:38,560
um

2761
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:41,760
i have a website kengerhardt.com uh it's

2762
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:43,440
a kind of a work in progress but there's

2763
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,320
a way to

2764
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:46,880
to link with my email in there i also

2765
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:48,000
have a facebook fan

2766
01:33:53,189 --> 01:33:51,199
page ken gerhart cryptozoologist and uh

2767
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,199
uh if you message me on there i'll do my

2768
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:55,040
very best

2769
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,159
to respond in a timely manner and

2770
01:34:01,669 --> 01:34:00,159
uh yeah i'd love to hear from anyone out

2771
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:01,679
there that has any questions

2772
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:03,760
or comments or you know if your uncle

2773
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,280
saw sasquatch back from 1978

2774
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:09,199
you know whatever i mean man i just love

2775
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,880
to hear this so i love to hear all of

2776
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:12,719
the accounts and i love to connect with

2777
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:13,199
people

2778
01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:17,199
so uh give me a shout

2779
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,280
well absolutely i mean we got to get you

2780
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:20,719
back on especially since your new books

2781
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,840
will be coming out

2782
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,760
and uh i'm quite sure we're going to

2783
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,840
have a lot of questions for you

2784
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:28,639
so um ken thanks for joining us man and

2785
01:34:31,830 --> 01:34:29,120
and

2786
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:31,840
thanks for reconsidering coming back

2787
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:32,560
after

2788
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,840
the cancellation but uh you know it

2789
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:37,760
it's really good it's really good to

2790
01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,120
have talk to you again

2791
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:41,440
and uh you know you and i will keep in

2792
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:42,239
touch

2793
01:34:46,950 --> 01:34:45,280
and you know i i just want i just really

2794
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:46,960
want to thank you

2795
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:50,719
so much appreciated uh

2796
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,760
sean thank you so much great gracious

2797
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,800
producer

2798
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,560
very knowledgeable as always our

2799
01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:58,080
pleasure

2800
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,920
and lon thank you so much brother give

2801
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,119
my best to vanessa

2802
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:03,600
and uh i love you man please uh please

2803
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:05,040
do stay in touch

2804
01:35:12,830 --> 01:35:07,520
take care now thanks again all right

2805
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,229
thanks

2806
01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:17,040
great show tonight there lon uh great to

2807
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,400
have ken on the program

2808
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:21,119
very knowledgeable like you said uh just

2809
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,000
a good guy i

2810
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,159
i enjoy having uh being able to talk to

2811
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:26,159
ken uh we had him on beyond the edge

2812
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,440
radio a while back

2813
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,760
uh i love having him on arcane radio

2814
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:31,440
this was a great opportunity

2815
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:33,199
uh glad we could finally have him on

2816
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,400
even though he had that little technical

2817
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:36,320
glitch we got through it

2818
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:37,760
we got through it pretty well so here's

2819
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,239
the deal folks yeah i didn't blow up on

2820
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:41,600
us anyway but you know

2821
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:44,560
no it's yeah i i i always i always like

2822
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:45,840
talking to ken and you know

2823
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:49,040
i some of the stuff he does and his

2824
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:50,800
books have been outstanding and

2825
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:54,159
uh i mean he's a true researcher

2826
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,360
and he you know he's um

2827
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:59,199
i'm not gonna say one of a kind but he

2828
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,560
is basically almost

2829
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:02,320
what you say one of a kind he's he's

2830
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:04,000
just a great crypto researcher

2831
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,520
and he does it you know what i mean it's

2832
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,440
like i said he he he just

2833
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:09,280
does this he doesn't just talk the talk

2834
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:10,719
he walks the walk and i think that's

2835
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:11,679
really important

2836
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:13,600
especially today when you have so many

2837
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:15,119
people claiming to be so many things

2838
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,239
when you can talk to somebody who

2839
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,239
actually does what they say they do

2840
01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:20,400
phenomenal oh yeah and we need to be

2841
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,000
celebrating and pushing those

2842
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:24,239
folks even further into the forefront to

2843
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,600
represent

2844
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:27,920
uh cryptozoological research in a good

2845
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:28,960
way and

2846
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,760
that that's fantastic in my book and the

2847
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,440
fact that he came on the show

2848
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:35,360
and was able to uh do this with us

2849
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,719
tonight just awesome

2850
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,480
good guy ken and we're glad to have him

2851
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,080
on the program and we'll have about on

2852
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,920
again too

2853
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,760
so here's the deal with tonight's show i

2854
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:44,800
know we had a little technical

2855
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:47,119
difficulties and we apologize for that

2856
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:48,719
uh we're getting better every week

2857
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,840
though we're having less technical

2858
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,159
difficulties tonight wasn't us i promise

2859
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:54,239
it wasn't me i didn't hit any buttons it

2860
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,440
just did its own thing

2861
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:57,040
so what we're going to do is in a couple

2862
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:58,080
it's probably going to take a couple

2863
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:59,360
days i'm going to have to splice this

2864
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,000
together

2865
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:02,080
and i'm not off again until wednesday so

2866
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:03,679
wednesday i'll sit down and i'll put

2867
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,639
this together

2868
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,679
we'll get it up on the up on stitcher

2869
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,520
and so you folks can go through and if

2870
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,960
you would please go through if you

2871
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:12,320
listen to our show you like our show

2872
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,280
every week

2873
01:37:16,669 --> 01:37:15,520
go to stitcher radio search arcane radio

2874
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:16,679
or just go to our website

2875
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,080
arcaneradio.com

2876
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:20,800
click on the stitcher button and uh

2877
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:22,639
it'll take you to our stitcher page and

2878
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:24,400
review us because that gives us that's

2879
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,440
our report card

2880
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,600
that's you telling us how we're doing

2881
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:29,520
and we appreciate that feedback

2882
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:32,159
and we take that feedback and really try

2883
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:34,239
to make the show better for you each and

2884
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,520
every week and that involves a little

2885
01:37:39,669 --> 01:37:37,679
participation we need your questions

2886
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,679
we need your guest suggestions because

2887
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,960
other than that it's just lon and i

2888
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:42,400
doing our thing and you guys just get to

2889
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,960
listen

2890
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,119
we want this show to be for you because

2891
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,639
that's why we do this every week

2892
01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:48,560
trust me there's other things we could

2893
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:50,000
do on monday night but we love doing

2894
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:51,600
this and we want to make this

2895
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:53,600
a great experience not just every other

2896
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:54,800
podcast that's out there

2897
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,000
a great experience for you and i'm just

2898
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,080
happy to be a part of this lawn and

2899
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,920
you know we've really taken something

2900
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,760
we've been on the air a year now

2901
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:06,080
uh we've taken something small built it

2902
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:07,600
to something better

2903
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:09,199
who knows how big we'll get we don't

2904
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:10,719
look at that as an end goal at least i

2905
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,679
don't and i know

2906
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,199
you know we don't look at this to be

2907
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:15,280
anything more than this labor of love

2908
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,239
that we do

2909
01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:18,880
because we love the world of the

2910
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,199
paranormal the strange the unexplained

2911
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,480
that's it that's it uh so

2912
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,480
next week we got another crypto

2913
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:28,159
researcher coming on

2914
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:31,440
bogey creek fame uh lyle blackburn's

2915
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,320
gonna be with us

2916
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:35,760
uh his most recent book about a year

2917
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:38,880
last year or 2013 was the

2918
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:41,679
bishopville monster and wow that was a

2919
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,639
big one

2920
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:45,760
that was very well written about the uh

2921
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:48,880
the lizard the lizard humanoid

2922
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:53,119
in bishopville south carolina and uh

2923
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:54,480
i was fortunate enough to be able to

2924
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,320
review that book and oh

2925
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,480
it was fantastic i i called it the

2926
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:00,960
crypto book of 2013.

2927
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:04,000
so i look forward to to lyle joining us

2928
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:04,880
next week

2929
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,199
and we got a lot to talk about

2930
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:08,639
definitely we're going to be going until

2931
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,920
the end of october then we're going to

2932
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:11,679
be taking a break over

2933
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,480
uh november december probably the first

2934
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,560
week of january and we'll come back

2935
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,400
with even more shows we got a couple

2936
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,239
things in the work that might change

2937
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:23,600
the way uh you experience arcane radio

2938
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:24,400
in terms of

2939
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:25,520
what we're going to be doing for

2940
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:27,440
commercial breaks because we do need to

2941
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,800
go to the bathroom every once in a while

2942
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,280
the longer we take these shows the

2943
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:33,760
and the older we get the the more we

2944
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:35,199
have to go to the bathroom

2945
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:36,719
so we got to have something to play in

2946
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:38,159
the interim and i don't want to get sued

2947
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,280
for playing music

2948
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,960
so we're trying to figure something out

2949
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:43,199
here folks like i said always a work in

2950
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,159
progress

2951
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:46,080
uh for you and we're not gonna rest

2952
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:47,679
until it's the absolute best in that

2953
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:49,119
rhyme done intentionally

2954
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,880
but i guess until next week or we do

2955
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,719
have lyle blackburn on the show

2956
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:55,440
uh you all be safe keep it real love

2957
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,159
each other

2958
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:02,070
oh i all i can do is do that you take